Rear lap belts

Hi guys, bit of advice needed. I am going to fit 6 lap belts in the back of my 110. I will upholster the raised sections in the back (its just ply boarded like a van - no seats) and then fit lap belts on what will effectively be side facing bench seats, any sdvice on how to fit them ?? any help would be great !!!! Cheers, IGGI

I added lap belts to my 110 CSW which already had sideways facing bench seats. With these seats there is a big gap between the bottom of the backrest and the bottom. The belts go through this gap so they met the floor well behind the passenger, holding down and back. For three belts each side you need four locations. Each belt has a strap and a clip, for the middle two holes you can stack on the same bolt the clip for one and the strap for the next. For the rearmost ones I drilled a hole through the floor (top of the wheel arch) and reinforced it with an alu plate about 60x60x6mm. I don't think that will pull through! As my landy has the middle row of seats, with belts, it had an attachment point already fitted for the mid row belt, on the sloping bit of floor, an alloy casting under the floor. It was already drilled and tapped with an extra hole for the frontmost rear section lapbelt. I just had to (carefully) make a hole in the floor, this was very satisfactory. When you measure for the other holes dont go too close to the outside of the vehicle or you won't have room for the plate underneath. If you are going to bolt through the plywood as well you may find the bolts could be too short. We mostly use the back seats for kids (though not baby seats) and they are good for keeping them in place, without them they slid about. Hope this is useful.

redwonten said:

I added lap belts to my 110 CSW which already had sideways facing bench seats. With these seats there is a big gap between the bottom of the backrest and the bottom. The belts go through this gap so they met the floor well behind the passenger, holding down and back. For three belts each side you need four locations. Each belt has a strap and a clip, for the middle two holes you can stack on the same bolt the clip for one and the strap for the next. For the rearmost ones I drilled a hole through the floor (top of the wheel arch) and reinforced it with an alu plate about 60x60x6mm. I don't think that will pull through! As my landy has the middle row of seats, with belts, it had an attachment point already fitted for the mid row belt, on the sloping bit of floor, an alloy casting under the floor. It was already drilled and tapped with an extra hole for the frontmost rear section lapbelt. I just had to (carefully) make a hole in the floor, this was very satisfactory. When you measure for the other holes dont go too close to the outside of the vehicle or you won't have room for the plate underneath. If you are going to bolt through the plywood as well you may find the bolts could be too short. We mostly use the back seats for kids (though not baby seats) and they are good for keeping them in place, without them they slid about. Hope this is useful.

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It's illegal to use any form of seatbelt or child restraint on a child sitting in a side facing seat.

this might help
http://www.childcarseats.org.uk/law/documents/law06summaryv2.pdf

i fitted exmoor trim lock and loads in mi wifes 90 whick are the only child approved saets fo rear load space and are forward facing cost me 450 each though

I've replaced the standard lap belts in my 90 CSW with the auto lap belts from Exmoor Trim, they work well. the manual adjustable ones are too much of a fiddle for people, especialy kids to use unless they have their regular spot.

Illegal or not I wont have my kids in the car without belts.

redhand said:

It's illegal to use any form of seatbelt or child restraint on a child sitting in a side facing seat.

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Defenderdavie's summary page doesn't say anything about what seats must be fitted. When I did mine I looked around and asked everybody I could, and concluded it was ok to fit the belts and use them, but not with child/baby seats/restraints which obviously have to be fitted to the type of belts they were designed for. Mine are mainly used by kids but they are not tiny tots in baby seats, they are big kids who have to wear adult belts in the front.

My landy has had several MOTs since the belts were put in, and I have never had any comment about them. They are not part of the test.

Iggi, if you are in doubt about your plywood construction, you could probably buy some 110 original bench seats. They can be made to fold up out of the way for loadspace.

btw my lapbelts are by Securon and they are simple to adjust, like those on a plane.

The law is very clear if they are under the age of 14 or 1.53mtrs tall they may only travel in the rear on sidefacing seats if they are unrestrained.

Child car seats
What the law says

The law says that all children up to 135cm tall (around 4'5"), or the age of 12, whichever comes first, in the front or rear seats in cars, vans and other goods vehicles must travel in the correct child restraint for their weight with very few exceptions.

Visitors to the UK from abroad must also use the correct child restraint for their children - there are no exceptions for them. Family and friends expecting visitors should make sure that their visitors understand the rules. They may need to help them make arrangements so that children use the correct child restraint at all times. Car rental companies can supply child restraints for their customers if booked in advance.

See summary table Q1 in FAQ section.
Exceptions to the rules

In limited circumstances, children can travel without the correct child restraint.

1) In a licensed taxi or licensed private hire vehicle. If the correct child restraint is not available then, in the rear seat only, children under 3 may travel unrestrained. Children aged 3 years and over must use an adult seat belt.

2) In cases of unexpected necessity over a short distance. If the correct child restraint is not available then, in the rear seat only, a child of 3 years or more must use an adult belt. This exemption does not apply to children under 3 years and does not cover regular school runs or other journeys that are planned in advance.

3) Where two occupied child restraints in the rear seat prevent you fitting a third. In this case, provided the front seat is occupied, a third child aged 3 years and over can use an adult seat belt (lap OR lap and diagonal) in the rear. If the front seat is free, then they must seat there using the correct child restraint.

4) In older vehicles with no rear seat belts. In this case, children 3 years and over may travel unrestrained.

For more details, see 'What do I do if my vehicle' Q14 in FAQs.

jzcktv said:

I've replaced the standard lap belts in my 90 CSW with the auto lap belts from Exmoor Trim, they work well. the manual adjustable ones are too much of a fiddle for people, especialy kids to use unless they have their regular spot.

Illegal or not I wont have my kids in the car without belts.

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I'm with you - my kids wear the lap belts or we dont go anywhere.
They're not ideal but better than nothing.

Cheers Guys, very helpful !!!

Do I have to tell my insurance company when I fit these seats and belts ????

IGGISAIL said:

Do I have to tell my insurance company when I fit these seats and belts ????

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yep