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I think Datatek agree about that. There is such a thing as personal responsibility, but the selfish attitude demonstrated by so many politicians, and their policies has resulted in the general climate of greed in the UK. When poor kids see rich bankers being given tax breaks and law-makers feathering their own nests first what are they gonna think?
Too much underinvestment for too long is now reaping it`s rewards. Think carefully before voting for less taxation in the future. You get what you pay for: no tax = no hospitals and no police.
EDIT: I was agreeing with your previous post, but that last one goes too far for me !

gtland said:

I think Datatek agree about that. There is such a thing as personal responsibility, but the selfish attitude demonstrated by so many politicians, and their policies has resulted in the general climate of greed in the UK. When poor kids see rich bankers being given tax breaks and law-makers feathering their own nests first what are they gonna think?
Too much underinvestment for too long is now reaping it`s rewards. Think carefully before voting for less taxation in the future. You get what you pay for: no tax = no hospitals and no police.

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And too much tax equals no incentive to work. Tax has gone up and up in my 50 years of work and 80% of it is wasted. Tax is higher in the UK than the US, yet we can't afford an army, there are more bureaucrats in the ministry of defence than military personel. Police can afford £10K an hour helicopters, BMW X5's and the like, can get 6 units to a minor RTA in 5 minutes but can't respond to a burglary until the next day. (funny the French police can manage with old Renaults and Peugeots) The NHS is overrun with overpaid bureaucrats, overstaffed with nurses that stand around discussing Corrie etc rather than working and waste is endemic.
It is impossible to change the system since the only people that can change things are the very ones that benefit most, politicians.

A lot of crap spoken on here! Nothing to do with the government, wealthy people.......just look at the spread of the mongs who were rioting, some with jobs, good prospects, decent families and alot of lazy sick notes who have no intention to work even if a good job was on their doorsteps. Its not hard to go out and make a little money without breaking the law if you have a bit of initiative, motivation and a desire to stand on your own two feet.

I suppose the only government link is do with punishment and prison but beyond then look at the schoolchildren who rioted they haven't even had time to decide if they will work towards working for a living or sponge of the state and commit crime. any decent parent would surely want their child to grow up into a decent person with good values and not like the scum****ers a few miles from me in Salford. Seems like they are already being moulded to carry on with the ****head mindset to take what you want from other people instead of working for it.

Surely its not the governments job to turn everyone into law abiding robots purely because there will be a hefty punishment if they don't - we are human beings and make our own choices and the people we grow up to be are moulded by our parents/family. Respect for others, yourself, your environment and community.

The only thing these ****s respect is the criminals who lives on their estates who are on a higher level than themselves, they don't dare cross them, or commit petty crime on their doorsteps. so they rule by fear in the immediate community but its no problem to go and smash up someone else's business nearby.

****ing scum of the earth the lot of them and it was brilliant to see the decent people of the community coming out in force to try and show the 'minority' that they would not stand for the behaviour. .....rant over.

Yes. Learn English in t he UK, just as we`re learning the language here.
Prisons shouldn`t be expensive warehouses, but should actively try to educate prisoners. When they come out let them contribute to society, not be a drain. American prisons seem to be run by gangs inside where the inmates learn survival thro violence.
Castration for multiple rapists, is an option, but how often is it one word against another? Too much chance of false vindictive conviction. (look at DSK at the moment).
Capital punishment? Don`t bring ourselves down to their level "might is right". That is an option for your concrete cells maybe. The evidence should be beyond reasonable doubt now, but mistakes still happen. And now the government is privatising the criminal forensic science services..... how long til theres some cost cutting short cuts and scandals there??
Deportation for foreigners guilty of crime, yes, and it`s already there.

Datatek, "taxes have gone up & up"
I`ve found 1973 rates for income tax in UK:
basic rate 30% higher rate 75% Both a lot more than now. (IFS.org.uk)
80% wasted? I`m sure you`re aware that 87% of statistics are made up on the spot?
The USA spends 4.7% of GDP on defence compared to UK`s 2.7%. (and their GDP is about 6 times that of the UK)
Yes the Gendermarie have got some old diesel cars, but also lots of BMW equipped "motards" & quite a few Subarus on the autoroutes now.
Too much tax = no incentive to work? More of an incentive to employ an expensive lawyer to weasel out of your responsibility, or be like the well known socially active pop-stars such as "U2", and emigrate to Switzerland. Or name any other tax-exiles you like...

What Britain needs is a war. If we upped the anti in the S'tan's we could get rid of the masses of our population. This worked well in the Napolionic Wars, First and Second World Wars.Create a situation where we get bogged down in a war abroad, dont allow bombing of the Coutries sourcing the opposition's ammunitions (like the USA v Vietnam War) and keep sending in our youngsters to get slaughtered. I can see our Govt taking on Pakistan or for even better results, Iran, but not until we use up our almost out of date ammunitions in the Middle East. Think on this. The Govt want to demob our regular army and replace it with the T.A. Lots of guys will join the T.A. thinking its only weekend warrior stuff then when we have enough of the great unwashed in the T.A. we will get involved in a muddy war. There may even be a push by the Courts/Govt to let offenders join the T.A. as an alternative to jail. This happened in 2nd WW. You read it here first.

jamie1210 said:

my unkle was driveing home in his p38 dse when he ended up in the croydon riots he could not move. people started smashing the windows then draged him out...... and the car then whent scheeming off up the road. hes a big bloke but theres nothing he could do but walk home......when the riots was in full swing i went out on my motobike. it was nuts the things i see... it was a mess wot was the point little ****s:doh::doh:

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There was a P38 set alight, it was on the news. Was that your Dad's?

With so much youth unemployment and no new jobs on the horizon you do offer a solution. But I don`t follow your argument about not targeting munitions factories, surely we could make enough to supply BOTH sides! Win Win.
Did Joseph Heller get his inspiration from you?

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Datatek, "taxes have gone up & up"
I`ve found 1973 rates for income tax in UK:
basic rate 30% higher rate 75% Both a lot more than now. (IFS.org.uk)
80% wasted? I`m sure you`re aware that 87% of statistics are made up on the spot?
The USA spends 4.7% of GDP on defence compared to UK`s 2.7%. (and their GDP is about 6 times that of the UK)
Yes the Gendermarie have got some old diesel cars, but also lots of BMW equipped "motards" & quite a few Subarus on the autoroutes now.
Too much tax = no incentive to work? More of an incentive to employ an expensive lawyer to weasel out of your responsibility, or be like the well known socially active pop-stars such as "U2", and emigrate to Switzerland. Or name any other tax-exiles you like...

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Just went on Wikapedia to look at the tax rates for uk compared to the usa and it looked like to me we pay more tax. You tax includes NHS and our health is private which we have to pay ourselves,
We do spend more than you on defense than uk But we have 5 times more population and 40 times the land mass.
So all facts compared including income it's the same or a little less to live in the UK

So am going to Buy a house and a defender for me, and a Freelander for grandma trapper and live the British way. In the most beautiful country I have ever seen. So look out south west you will be stuck with me. Will be on the Somerset and Devon border

a lot of our taxes are indirect,such as vat

gtland said:

With so much youth unemployment and no new jobs on the horizon you do offer a solution. But I don`t follow your argument about not targeting munitions factories, surely we could make enough to supply BOTH sides! Win Win.
Did Joseph Heller get his inspiration from you?

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Will have to Google Joseph Heller. Depends on where the factories are. Yes we probably would supply both sides.

James, that included your vat. We have a federal tax,state tax, local tax and a sales tax on all items bought and a property tax yearly for the house you live in. The nicer the house the more tax Our house tax is 5000 us about 3750pounds. Our total tax can reach 60% of income

sounds like your as bolloxed as us then

That is true, That is why i'm moving next year . As soon as our property sells we are moving.

Yeah, I was looking at those Wiki stats too. So many differences it`s difficult to make a general case, but if it`s better for you, you`re free to enjoy it!
What seems to me, is that (in the UK) the tax burden has moved from the richer to the poorer end of society. There are good (IMHO) reasons for this, but seems to me it`s going too far. Inequality causes discontent, and (Goodfella is right) it shouldn`t be fear of paramilitary police, but a willingness to participate in society that dictates our actions. And the rich have a duty and responsibility here, they make their money from us, they should invest in society as they can afford to!
I`m still available for the position of UK President, by he way. Only asking a small fortune , not a big one.

it is going too far

gtland said:

Yeah, I was looking at those Wiki stats too. So many differences it`s difficult to make a general case, but if it`s better for you, you`re free to enjoy it!
What seems to me, is that (in the UK) the tax burden has moved from the richer to the poorer end of society. There are good (IMHO) reasons for this, but seems to me it`s going too far. Inequality causes discontent, and (Goodfella is right) it shouldn`t be fear of paramilitary police, but a willingness to participate in society that dictates our actions. And the rich have a duty and responsibility here, they make their money from us, they should invest in society as they can afford to!
I`m still available for the position of UK President, by he way. Only asking a small fortune , not a big one.

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Could not agree with you more

Datatek said:

Sorry, the riot had everything to do with government, sucessive governments have with their policies created the environment in which these ****s survive and thrive.
I'm 100% English but I left the UK 11 years ago, I didn't want to grow old in a country where I was scared to walk down the street of a Friday evening, where both my parents died as a result of negligence by NHS hospitals who were quite happy to say that anyone over 65 was not worth expending time and money on. I'm just sad for my kids, all gainfully employed but with no means of escape.

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it was not the english smashing the place up mate its the kids that are messing things up they dont know or give a **** about wot there doing and care even less about the goverment this was kids out of control and as for the police catching up with them big deal there getting a £150 fine and sent home its down to the **** that has been let in by the goverment that is showing the kids very bad ways. they have no respect for them selfs let alon goverment or the police. and ill tell you this its not going to get better. the rich are going to get richer then ever befor and the poor are going to start killing each other

jamie1210 said:

it was not the english smashing the place up mate its the kids that are messing things up they dont know or give a **** about wot there doing and care even less about the goverment this was kids out of control and as for the police catching up with them big deal there getting a £150 fine and sent home its down to the **** that has been let in by the goverment that is showing the kids very bad ways. they have no respect for them selfs let alon goverment or the police. and ill tell you this its not going to get better. the rich are going to get richer then ever befor and the poor are going to start killing each other

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Yip, and the trick is to be one of the rich and not give a toss for the poor.

It's all about family and values mate, where I work is quite a large west indian community where many of the men have as many kids as they can with as many women as they can without any consideration for their upbringing or education leaving the mothers to bring up numerous kids alone without moral or financial support while the men spend their days smoking weed ,drinking,or gambling.The majority of these men if asked would say they can't find a job but have never been near the job center or even looked for work and it's not just the west indian community where this is becoming the norm it's all cultures now.If the parents aren't willing to instill a work ethic and moral values in these kids what hope does the government have, YOU CAN ONLY HELP THOSE WHO ARE READY TO HELP THEMSELVES,no pun intended.