Ping Pantellis - totally OT

Lee Hi,

noise can be addressed. Noisekiller will do some good work. (But I may be
biased since I represent them here in Greece. But Steve does know his job
and he is not selling seaweeds for silk ribbons)

Engine heat is a problem but heat insulation may also do the job.

As for fuel, LPG and a fuel saving device may give good results.

I will be posting about the fuel saving device later today.

Take care
Pantelis

"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Nige <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
> about:
>
> > Just done a RAC map on it to Athens, 1600 miles, i used to do that
> > every week!!
> > Thats a good run!
> >
> > Nige
>
> Yeah done that milage already with the Caravan on too. not to bad as long
as
> you pace yourself (with kids on board). Just be the heat in the 101 that
> would be an issue... and the fuel....and the noise...
>
> Lee
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Steve Hi,

LPG can be relatively easy to find around Athens but not so much in the
provence.

Take care
Pantelis

"Steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Richard Brookman wrote:
> > Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> >
> > || BTW how many fellow listers would be interested to offroad in Greece?
> > || I am considering setting up something like that.
> >
> > Would be very interested, although I've burned nearly all my holiday at
work
> > until next March. Sounds good, though.
> >
> Make a hell of an unofficial meet !
>
> What about stuff like LPG availability Pantelis ?
>
> Steve

Lee Hi,

Greece is definately NOT a big place as far as distances are concerned.

BUT you can add a lot of miles because there a lot of places to see and
drive to.

Take care
Pantelis

"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Steve <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> > Richard Brookman wrote:
> >> Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> >>
> >>>> BTW how many fellow listers would be interested to offroad in
> >>>> Greece? I am considering setting up something like that.
> >>
> >> Would be very interested, although I've burned nearly all my holiday
> >> at work until next March. Sounds good, though.
> >>
> > Make a hell of an unofficial meet !
> >
> > What about stuff like LPG availability Pantelis ?
> >
> > Steve
>
> Who's up for the latter half of the Summer'ols then next year, say the
last
> 2 to 3 weeks?
>
> Overnighter to France, 1st camp 2/3rds into France, 2nd Northern Italy few
> days, 3rd stop South Italy the ferry... then I come unstuck so thats say
six
> days so far (x2 for return = 12) could give a week in Greece, do I need
sun
> block?
>
> Plenty of time for planning and plenty or prep time plus the Kids are
> off....
>
> Now I've gone and got all hyped up I'm going to check the ferry prices...
>
> France OK for LPG and Italy ..... is Greece a big place then? Really
should
> have paid attention in Geography.
>
> Lee
>
>

Sunblock is recommended.
Try to avoid Athens unless you want to visit the Acropolis and the museums
etc.

If offroading is your game then Central Greece is where you must focus.
Poleponnese is not that bad either (and it is where the ferry to Patras
docks) but Epiros is excellent for offroading to and this is where the
Igoumenitsa port is.

Take care
Pantelis

"Lizzy Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Lee_D wrote:
> >
> > Who's up for the latter half of the Summer'ols then next year, say the
last
> > 2 to 3 weeks?
>
> HOT! Easter would suit us better.
>
> > Overnighter to France, 1st camp 2/3rds into France, 2nd Northern Italy
few
> > days, 3rd stop South Italy the ferry... then I come unstuck so thats say
six
> > days so far (x2 for return = 12) could give a week in Greece, do I need
sun
> > block?
>
> Oh yes, only time I visited was in early April and we needed sunblock
> then even through the infamous Athens smog. It is as far south and a
> little further than Sicily.
>
> > France OK for LPG and Italy ..... is Greece a big place then? Really
should
> > have paid attention in Geography.
>
> Just over half the size of the UK.
>
> Lizzy
>

Lee Hi,

Patras port is much more convenient if you tow a caravan since it is
directly connected to the motorway.
On the other hand Igoumenitsa is currently in the process of being connected
with the Egnatia system of motorways which is supposed to be connecting this
port (Igoumenitsa) with Istambul in Turkey. This is EU financed public work
and AFAIK a big part of it is already been given to circulation and use.
But I have not travelled there for the last 10 years and I can not express a
first hand comment about it.

I can ask and provide more input ifyou are interested.

But as already quoted on another posting I just left Epiros (the region
where Igoumenitsa is) is extremely nice and has a lot of things to see.

Take care
Pantelis

"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
> about:
>
> > BTW how many fellow listers would be interested to offroad in Greece?
> > I am considering setting up something like that.
> >
> > Take care
> > Pantelis
>
> Pantelis,
>
> Lets just assume this beer fueled frenzie I have comes to fruition would
> you be able to organise something close to a Ferry port?
>
> I'm looking at Autoroute which only shows ferries in to Igoumenitsa in
the
> North and Patras in the South. I'd guess financially the North would be
the
> prefered venue but there doesn't appear to be much in the way of Motorways
> on Autoroute....which is a good thing unless your tugging a caravan?
>
> What do you think?
>
> Lee
>
>

Steve and other LPG users.

I can ask a friend and fellow member of the LRCG who is selling and
installing LPG systems and maybe come back with a list of available LPG
stations around Greece.

Take care
Pantelis

"steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Nige wrote:
> LPG would nearly pay for itself in one trip!!!!
>
> Can you get it in Greece ?
>
> Steve

Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
> Steve and other LPG users.
>
Thanks Pantelis.
Steve

Steve <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> Lee_D wrote:
>> I've worked on 250 miles a day which
>> with a Caravan is enough and with a 101 would need an ear drum
>> transplant.
> We'd drive a lot harder than that.

No , got one too many dead friends to push it. It's begining to sound more
like the Mac 4x4 than a Holiday, not my cup of tea I'm afraid. I like to
soak up the scenary.

>> You may not I've avoided Switzerland... this is because you have to
>> pay a tax on your Vehicle AND caravan which adds up to a fair wedge
>> unless you stop there a while or return in the same year isn't worth
>> the short cut.
> We'd only take the ambi for this anyway, but two vignettes would only
> amount to 40 quid, and you might save that in petrol...

Tis cheaper than I thought mind.. may go through if only to camp there on
route a couple of days or so and soak up them there hills. How about Italy
we could meet half way so to speak then.

Lee D

Lee_D wrote:
> Steve <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>> Lee_D wrote:
>>> I've worked on 250 miles a day which
>>> with a Caravan is enough and with a 101 would need an ear drum
>>> transplant.
>> We'd drive a lot harder than that.
>
> No , got one too many dead friends to push it.
PONSF to Zeebrugge, through Lux and the back of France. Start 8 in the
morning, and with 2 drivers mind. At 50 miles an hour, 10 hours is 500
miles. Through France and into Switzerland in a day... We've done enough
France. We'd stop in Switzerland for the night with some old friends in
Attikon, then drive on.

> Tis cheaper than I thought mind.. may go through if only to camp there on
> route a couple of days or so and soak up them there hills. How about Italy
> we could meet half way so to speak then.

I think we need a group of more than 3 of us to make this fun. You, me
and Nige et al is fine, but we could have a lot more craic with a whole
ferrydeck of campers !

Steve

Steve Taylor wrote:

|| Lee_D wrote:
||| Steve <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
||| about:
|||| Lee_D wrote:
||||| I've worked on 250 miles a day which
||||| with a Caravan is enough and with a 101 would need an ear drum
||||| transplant.
|||| We'd drive a lot harder than that.
|||
||| No , got one too many dead friends to push it.
|| PONSF to Zeebrugge, through Lux and the back of France. Start 8 in
|| the morning, and with 2 drivers mind. At 50 miles an hour, 10 hours
|| is 500 miles. Through France and into Switzerland in a day... We've
|| done enough France. We'd stop in Switzerland for the night with some
|| old friends in Attikon, then drive on.
||
||| Tis cheaper than I thought mind.. may go through if only to camp
||| there on route a couple of days or so and soak up them there hills.
||| How about Italy we could meet half way so to speak then.
||
|| I think we need a group of more than 3 of us to make this fun. You,
|| me and Nige et al is fine, but we could have a lot more craic with a
|| whole ferrydeck of campers !
||
|| Steve

We'd have to cross at Dover or wherever and meet up somewhere in
France/Switz. NSF is just too far from Pembs. However, I did arrange to
meet friends once on a certain set of steps in a town in Tuscany, August
8th, 1pm. Travelled independently from UK, the buggers were 30 minutes
late! Not a bad recce after 1500 miles of travel. While waiting, spotted
(and had a drink with) two friends from the same town who we didn't even
know were going there.

You're right, though. A bigger group would be more fun.

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Richard Brookman wrote:

> We'd have to cross at Dover or wherever and meet up somewhere in
> France/Switz. NSF is just too far from Pembs.

Oh god yes, its just NSF from where we are (90 miles from Hull)would
save us 300 miles of UK driving and an extra overnight.

Got to be the target for our ambi next year this.
Steve

Steve Taylor <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:

>> Oh god yes, its just NSF from where we are (90 miles from Hull)would
>> save us 300 miles of UK driving and an extra overnight.
>>
>> Got to be the target for our ambi next year this.
>> Steve
>
> Right then, just need to sort my leave and we're on.(fingers crossed!)
>
> Richard, I'd suggest given we realistically would be looking at the
> Saturday for travel in the UK that we use the Portsmouth to Le Harve.
> Only logic being if we skip around London on the M25 twds Dover it'll
> be manic given everyone will be Holidaying who can. There is an
> overnighter for Le Harve which docks at around 0700 hours IMMSMR.
> That would set us up for a clear run down the Autoroutes on a Sunday
> to make some good ground. Planning for Switzerland Sunday night.
>
> Pushing on to Dover does give the added stress of M25 for us and
> trying to get there early evening for the last crossing. All be it
> it's quicker crossing and cheaper.
>
> Nige would you be looking at the same port as Steve for departure?
>
> Next point sorting an RVP
>
> Any one else up for it , Easter '07 the "Greece ball Rally" (gedit!)
> - May be worth starting a new thread come to think of it, some may be
> completely unaware of this'un
>
> Lee D

Lee_D wrote:
> Steve Taylor <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
> funny about:
>
>>> Oh god yes, its just NSF from where we are (90 miles from Hull)would
>>> save us 300 miles of UK driving and an extra overnight.
>>>
>>> Got to be the target for our ambi next year this.
>>> Steve
>>
>> Right then, just need to sort my leave and we're on.(fingers crossed!)
>>
>> Richard, I'd suggest given we realistically would be looking at the
>> Saturday for travel in the UK that we use the Portsmouth to Le Harve.
>> Only logic being if we skip around London on the M25 twds Dover it'll
>> be manic given everyone will be Holidaying who can. There is an
>> overnighter for Le Harve which docks at around 0700 hours IMMSMR.
>> That would set us up for a clear run down the Autoroutes on a Sunday
>> to make some good ground. Planning for Switzerland Sunday night.
>>
>> Pushing on to Dover does give the added stress of M25 for us and
>> trying to get there early evening for the last crossing. All be it
>> it's quicker crossing and cheaper.
>>
>> Nige would you be looking at the same port as Steve for departure?
>>
>> Next point sorting an RVP
>>
>> Any one else up for it , Easter '07 the "Greece ball Rally" (gedit!)
>> - May be worth starting a new thread come to think of it, some may be
>> completely unaware of this'un
>>
>> Lee D

I cant do easter, I'm in Dubai the week before on me major holiday!! I can do late summer though?

Nige


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Lee_D wrote:

||| Richard, I'd suggest given we realistically would be looking at the
||| Saturday for travel in the UK that we use the Portsmouth to Le
||| Harve. Only logic being if we skip around London on the M25 twds

||| Any one else up for it , Easter '07 the "Greece ball Rally" (gedit!)
||| - May be worth starting a new thread come to think of it, some may
||| be completely unaware of this'un

Portsmouth's good for us - closer than Dover, but a longer and more
expensive crossing. We have always gone this way, but are using Dover this
year as we are heading East towards Switz rather than South to Brittany and
the West coast as we usually do.

Greece Ball Rally. Sounds like a plan.

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