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Have been stripping the 101 with good old nitromors, however it is painful
to say the least. Wondered if anyone had any products or tips they could
pass on. Without a word of a lie it is quarter of an inch thick in places!
Taking one layer at a time is taking forever. 10 hours work and we have
managed about one square meter! At this rate I'll still be at it at
Christmas.

Graham


 
Hi Graham,
one of the fastest, cheapest, but don't know about its "green
value" is good old fashioned brake fluid.
I've used it on cars and also on stubbon signs on our local bakery
window with truely amazing results.

Paint on, make a cup of coffee, come back and wash off with water
(kaga pressure device helps). Thickness of paint wil determine time
you have to drink coffee, but I'm not aware of too much time causing
problem.

Only note I would make is that this system can get you back to bare
metal and once this is done it needs primer asap or else you'll get
localised oxidation aka surface rust.

Cheers

Phillip

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:39:10 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Have been stripping the 101 with good old nitromors, however it is painful
>to say the least. Wondered if anyone had any products or tips they could
>pass on. Without a word of a lie it is quarter of an inch thick in places!
>Taking one layer at a time is taking forever. 10 hours work and we have
>managed about one square meter! At this rate I'll still be at it at
>Christmas.
>
>Graham
>

 
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:39:10 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Have been stripping the 101 with good old nitromors, however it is painful
>to say the least. Wondered if anyone had any products or tips they could
>pass on. Without a word of a lie it is quarter of an inch thick in places!
>Taking one layer at a time is taking forever. 10 hours work and we have
>managed about one square meter! At this rate I'll still be at it at
>Christmas.

I have spent 4 long days at mine so far i think and have one side and
the back fully stripped, and have done about half of the other side
and the front.
I'm also on my 5th or 6th tin of nitromors too.. (and have swept up 3
bin bags of paint scrapings)

I have found that the best approach is to do it on a cool day (or move
it round to work on the shady side) - so that the nitromors doesnt dry
too quickly, then just keep doing one coat at a time. scrape off with
a sharp bladed scraper and then repeat...

Work complete 'sections' at a time to make it feel more like you are
doing something. After about 5 layers you can suddenyl start seeing
bare metal in spots and it feels like you are getting somewhere.

Just stick at it, and know that you are not the only person doing it!
;)
I have 8 layers on mine :(

PS - are you over in the east somewhere?. My parents went on holiday
last week and said they saw someone out in the garden nitromorsing a
sand coloured 101 ambi. I was going to go past next week as i'm going
that way and heckle them ;)





 
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:39:10 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Have been stripping the 101 with good old nitromors, however it is painful
>to say the least. Wondered if anyone had any products or tips they could
>pass on. Without a word of a lie it is quarter of an inch thick in places!
>Taking one layer at a time is taking forever. 10 hours work and we have
>managed about one square meter! At this rate I'll still be at it at
>Christmas.

Ah yes. You need to go and borrow a "Leesmum". These can be hard to
find, however...

 
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:39:10 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Have been stripping the 101 with good old nitromors, however it is painful
>to say the least. Wondered if anyone had any products or tips they could
>pass on. Without a word of a lie it is quarter of an inch thick in places!
>Taking one layer at a time is taking forever. 10 hours work and we have
>managed about one square meter! At this rate I'll still be at it at
>Christmas.
>
>Graham
>

Painful literally... It's odd how some bits of skin seem immune to
nitromors and others leave you writhing in agony. Had any between
your toes yet? TIP - don't use Nitromors with sandals on...

I used 7 litres to strip mine. It took about a fortnight (no,
really). In the end it was worth it, if only for the weight saving
:). I believe you about it being 1/4 inch thick... Buy the biggest
tins you can find - it's much much cheaper (all relative though). I
spent over £100 on nitromors to do the job.

Don't do it on a hot and / or windy day - it dries before it works.
Some of the paint comes off easy, some seems much more reluctant. The
black in the bottom coat was worst. Rub in the nitromors with a wire
brush (gently) to get it under the loose stuff and into the stubborn
areas.

First pass might be worth a go with a pressure washer to get the top
layer off. Depends what state the paint is in.

By the time I'd stripped mine I was too ****ed off with it to do a
decent job of the repaint. Still, the prep is good so another top
coat would cheer it up no end.

HTH



--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70
 
Graham G wrote:

> Have been stripping the 101 with good old nitromors, however it is painful
> to say the least. Wondered if anyone had any products or tips they could
> pass on. Without a word of a lie it is quarter of an inch thick in places!
> Taking one layer at a time is taking forever. 10 hours work and we have
> managed about one square meter! At this rate I'll still be at it at
> Christmas.

Hi Graham,

We have used a hot airgun on ours, with a razor sharp paint scraper, and
I really mean RAZOR sharp. It took a leisurely afternoon to strip one
complete side of an ambi. You heat up the paint enough to reach the base
coat, and slip the razor onto the skin, then in one pass, you just
chase the strip along the panel.

We also tried Eco-strip - a paintstripper you can eat, just about. Paint
it on, cover with clingfilm and leave for days if you like, it eats
through multiple layers of paint eventually. Not as cheap as Nitromors,
but its much friendlier to you and the environment, and you end up using
a hell of a lot less.

Steve
 
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 14:39:41 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Graham G wrote:
>
>> Have been stripping the 101 with good old nitromors, however it is painful
>> to say the least. Wondered if anyone had any products or tips they could
>> pass on. Without a word of a lie it is quarter of an inch thick in places!
>> Taking one layer at a time is taking forever. 10 hours work and we have
>> managed about one square meter! At this rate I'll still be at it at
>> Christmas.
>
>Hi Graham,
>
>We have used a hot airgun on ours, with a razor sharp paint scraper, and
>I really mean RAZOR sharp. It took a leisurely afternoon to strip one
>complete side of an ambi. You heat up the paint enough to reach the base
>coat, and slip the razor onto the skin, then in one pass, you just
>chase the strip along the panel.

I tried a hot air gun on mine and found that to get the paint soft
enough to scrape off i had to get the panel so warm that it popped out
of shape. (and it didnt go back). Tried it on my most knackered door.

I reckon my electricity bill would rival the nitromors costs too ;)

>We also tried Eco-strip - a paintstripper you can eat, just about. Paint
>it on, cover with clingfilm and leave for days if you like, it eats
>through multiple layers of paint eventually. Not as cheap as Nitromors,
>but its much friendlier to you and the environment, and you end up using
>a hell of a lot less.

take a lot of clingfilm for an ambi!. Though a big roll of pallet wrap
would probably do it... would this work with nitromors too? or would
that melt the wrap? I have a roll of pallet wrap in the back of the
101 at the mo!


 
Tom Woods wrote:

> I tried a hot air gun on mine and found that to get the paint soft
> enough to scrape off i had to get the panel so warm that it popped out
> of shape. (and it didnt go back). Tried it on my most knackered door.
>

Too much, get under the edge and you don't need anything LIKE that
amount of heat.

> I reckon my electricity bill would rival the nitromors costs too ;)
>

Seriously, the ambi side would have cost less than a quid.

> take a lot of clingfilm for an ambi!. Though a big roll of pallet wrap
> would probably do it... would this work with nitromors too?

Dunno, my gut feeling is no.
 
I used a flap disc in an angle grinder to get the 10 layers off my 101,
bit brutal but very fast, have to be careful not to gouge the metal.
Takes the bolt and rivet heads off and I replaced with new as I went
along.
Dismantled the dropsides and took as many fittings off as possible to
get into all the corners, using detail sanders and a heat gun as well.
Replaced the door skins as its not worth stripping them.
Started off with nitromors but gave up as it was way too slow. Pressure
washer was pretty good at removing large amounts of loose paint though.

Sean
73FL74 101GS
1984 110 2.5 NA
Medway Military Vehicle Group
www.mmvg.net

 
You are cross scoring before you apply the nitromoors aren't you?
You need to give the stuff a key on multiple layers of paint.

"Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Have been stripping the 101 with good old nitromors, however it is painful
> to say the least. Wondered if anyone had any products or tips they could
> pass on. Without a word of a lie it is quarter of an inch thick in places!
> Taking one layer at a time is taking forever. 10 hours work and we have
> managed about one square meter! At this rate I'll still be at it at
> Christmas.
>
> Graham
>


 
On Tuesday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "nukiwi" wrote:

> You are cross scoring before you apply the nitromoors aren't you?
> You need to give the stuff a key on multiple layers of paint.
>
> "Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Have been stripping the 101 with good old nitromors, however it is painful
> > to say the least. Wondered if anyone had any products or tips they could
> > pass on. Without a word of a lie it is quarter of an inch thick in places!
> > Taking one layer at a time is taking forever. 10 hours work and we have
> > managed about one square meter! At this rate I'll still be at it at
> > Christmas.

My experience is you need to use a mix of techniques. A hot air gun can
help get the thickness down, before you use a chemical stripper. Some
places on my Lightweight, the cammo paint seperated from the factory
paint fairly easily, big flakes just from a scraper blade.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."
 

"Phillip Simpson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Graham,
> one of the fastest, cheapest, but don't know about its "green
> value" is good old fashioned brake fluid.
> I've used it on cars and also on stubbon signs on our local bakery
> window with truely amazing results.

Hmm, interesting idea, always takes it off when I don't want it to! Will
give it a try.

Graham


 
> I have spent 4 long days at mine so far i think and have one side and
> the back fully stripped, and have done about half of the other side
> and the front.
> I'm also on my 5th or 6th tin of nitromors too.. (and have swept up 3
> bin bags of paint scrapings)

I can sympathise, much the same here too!

> I have found that the best approach is to do it on a cool day (or move
> it round to work on the shady side) - so that the nitromors doesnt dry
> too quickly, then just keep doing one coat at a time. scrape off with
> a sharp bladed scraper and then repeat...

Shade is not a problem, have got it in a barn. As for the rest am employing
that method, just hoped there might have been a les tedious one!!

> Just stick at it, and know that you are not the only person doing it!
> ;)

That is of some consolation I suppose. Was hoping to have it finished for
Peterborough, which isn't looking likely now. What with harvest an all...

> I have 8 layers on mine :(

I'd say there is a minimum of 8 on mine!

> PS - are you over in the east somewhere?. My parents went on holiday
> last week and said they saw someone out in the garden nitromorsing a
> sand coloured 101 ambi. I was going to go past next week as i'm going
> that way and heckle them ;)

Nope, in the midlands, and its a Radio body. Don't need the heckling anyway,
father, brother friends etc are doing enough of that for everyone :eek:)

Graham


 
> Ah yes. You need to go and borrow a "Leesmum". These can be hard to
> find, however...

I've been using an "othahalf" which is reasonably efficient, but in
prolonged use it seems to develop an annoying whining noise :eek:)

Graham


 
> Painful literally... It's odd how some bits of skin seem immune to
> nitromors and others leave you writhing in agony. Had any between
> your toes yet? TIP - don't use Nitromors with sandals on...

Its particularly nice when it gets in cuts I discovered :eek:(

> I used 7 litres to strip mine. It took about a fortnight (no,
> really). In the end it was worth it, if only for the weight saving
> :). I believe you about it being 1/4 inch thick... Buy the biggest
> tins you can find - it's much much cheaper (all relative though). I
> spent over £100 on nitromors to do the job.

up to 2 litres and less than a quarter of one side so far :eek:(

> Don't do it on a hot and / or windy day - it dries before it works.
> Some of the paint comes off easy, some seems much more reluctant. The
> black in the bottom coat was worst. Rub in the nitromors with a wire
> brush (gently) to get it under the loose stuff and into the stubborn
> areas.

Not a problem, its in a shed. The black is a nightmare!! I counted approx
4-5 layers of black in places.

> First pass might be worth a go with a pressure washer to get the top
> layer off. Depends what state the paint is in.

Done that, it shifted between one and all the layers in places.

>> By the time I'd stripped mine I was too ****ed off with it to do a
> decent job of the repaint. Still, the prep is good so another top
> coat would cheer it up no end.

Suspect that might be the case with this yet, however, I figured that the
couple of coats I put on will be a lot easier to fetch off at a later date
if I need to.

Graham


 
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:08:24 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> I have spent 4 long days at mine so far i think and have one side and
>> the back fully stripped, and have done about half of the other side
>> and the front.
>> I'm also on my 5th or 6th tin of nitromors too.. (and have swept up 3
>> bin bags of paint scrapings)
>
>I can sympathise, much the same here too!
>
>> I have found that the best approach is to do it on a cool day (or move
>> it round to work on the shady side) - so that the nitromors doesnt dry
>> too quickly, then just keep doing one coat at a time. scrape off with
>> a sharp bladed scraper and then repeat...
>
>Shade is not a problem, have got it in a barn. As for the rest am employing
>that method, just hoped there might have been a les tedious one!!

Got any spare barn space you want to rent out to someone wanting to
store some classic cars? :) (I have to ask since i'm desparately
trying to find some since my collection is getting evicted from my
parents garden!)
>
>> Just stick at it, and know that you are not the only person doing it!
>> ;)
>
>That is of some consolation I suppose. Was hoping to have it finished for
>Peterborough, which isn't looking likely now. What with harvest an all...

I was aiming to have mine done sometime last year! ;)

>> PS - are you over in the east somewhere?. My parents went on holiday
>> last week and said they saw someone out in the garden nitromorsing a
>> sand coloured 101 ambi. I was going to go past next week as i'm going
>> that way and heckle them ;)
>
>Nope, in the midlands, and its a Radio body. Don't need the heckling anyway,
>father, brother friends etc are doing enough of that for everyone :eek:)
>
Its worse when you have it in the drive of a house - random passers by
come and have a go at you in addition to the friends and family!

I had some kids convinced the other day that i was joining the army
and they had given me my own truck to paint first! (they cant have
been very quick since it was fairly obvious i was removing the paint!)
>Graham
>

 
>>We have used a hot airgun on ours, with a razor sharp paint scraper, and
>>I really mean RAZOR sharp. It took a leisurely afternoon to strip one
>>complete side of an ambi. You heat up the paint enough to reach the base
>>coat, and slip the razor onto the skin, then in one pass, you just
>>chase the strip along the panel.
>
> I tried a hot air gun on mine and found that to get the paint soft
> enough to scrape off i had to get the panel so warm that it popped out
> of shape. (and it didnt go back). Tried it on my most knackered door.

Had a very similar result. Didn't go out of shape, but I was concerned about
the paint on the inside, I really don't want to fetch that off too!

Graham


 
> Too much, get under the edge and you don't need anything LIKE that amount
> of heat.

Was trying that, did't seem to get anywhere fast. We both had a go and came
to the conclusion that the result was very similar with the nitromors as
with the heat, so we stuck with the chemical, basically cos I was worried
about loosening the already dodgy paint on the inside.

Graham


 

"nukiwi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You are cross scoring before you apply the nitromoors aren't you?
> You need to give the stuff a key on multiple layers of paint.

er, no, can see the reasoning, but the last thing I would want is to score
the aluminium, would rather go at it slowly. Will try just lightly scoring
it, if it helps with the top layers then it would be worth it.

Graham


 
> My experience is you need to use a mix of techniques. A hot air gun can
> help get the thickness down, before you use a chemical stripper. Some
> places on my Lightweight, the cammo paint seperated from the factory
> paint fairly easily, big flakes just from a scraper blade.

A conclusion am fast reaching. Trouble is, the paint is only part of the
story, the list is a mile long of the things I need to get done before I can
head to a show with it. Fast looking like I will just run out of time for
this season :eek:(


Graham


 
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