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think they done it to stop the p38 owners trying to make theirs look like it lol

and im with saint on this one, its a big noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
looks bloody awful. wonder if you can put p38 parts on it
 
What's not to like! :D

It'll be the best production off road vehicle available, undoubtedly beating any previous standard Landy (except in water....) ✓
It looks fabulous ✓
It'll have all the refinements and excellent gadgets of a modern car, whilst retaining the splendour of one of the greatest car designs ever ✓

oh...

Yeah I remember what's not to like :( it'll be bought by people whose idea of off road is when it overlaps the parking space a little bit... But still.. I look forward to seeing a couple enjoying themselves at the Land Rover Experience :)
 
TCubed said:
What's not to like! :D

It'll be the best production off road vehicle available, undoubtedly beating any previous standard Landy (except in water....) ✓
It looks fabulous ✓
It'll have all the refinements and excellent gadgets of a modern car, whilst retaining the splendour of one of the greatest car designs ever ✓

oh...

Yeah I remember what's not to like :( it'll be bought by people whose idea of off road is when it overlaps the parking space a little bit... But still.. I look forward to seeing a couple enjoying themselves at the Land Rover Experience :)
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Too many gadgets to ever be reliable, personally I want to use my skill when driving/parking, I don't want a cacphoney of bleeps when parking, I don't want terrain response, I want to use my judgement, I do want a car that won't fail in 6 inches of water and doesn't leak.
 
Datatek said:
Too many gadgets to ever be reliable, personally I want to use my skill when driving/parking, I don't want a cacphoney of bleeps when parking, I don't want terrain response, I want to use my judgement, I do want a car that won't fail in 6 inches of water and doesn't leak.
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You can be the most skilled driver in the world - you've only got one brake pedal and one throttle pedal. Modern Range Rovers brake the wheels individually to maximise traction, similarly they apply power "intelligently" - yes these systems are a potential cause of failure but they're bloody good when they're working! Downhill assist can get big heavy Range Rovers down gradients that would see older cars (on the same tyres) lose traction and crash.
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
You can be the most skilled driver in the world - you've only got one brake pedal and one throttle pedal. Modern Range Rovers brake the wheels individually to maximise traction, similarly they apply power "intelligently" - yes these systems are a potential cause of failure but they're bloody good when they're working! Downhill assist can get big heavy Range Rovers down gradients that would see older cars (on the same tyres) lose traction and crash in the hands of a numpty driver.[/quote]

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Given the lack of reliability of all these gizmos, I guess it would be exciting descending your hill relying on hill descent when it goes into fault mode and gives up. Like traction control it's only window dressing as you only have a short time before the brakes overheat.
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TCubed said:
What's not to like! :D

It'll be the best production off road vehicle available, undoubtedly beating any previous standard Landy (except in water....) ✓
It looks fabulous ✓
It'll have all the refinements and excellent gadgets of a modern car, whilst retaining the splendour of one of the greatest car designs ever ✓

oh...

Yeah I remember what's not to like :( it'll be bought by people whose idea of off road is when it overlaps the parking space a little bit... But still.. I look forward to seeing a couple enjoying themselves at the Land Rover Experience :)
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Agree to all apart from the Looking Fabulous....that front end is just plain wrong....

Marmite car me thinks...
 
Datatek said:
StuckAgainSteve said:
Given the lack of reliability of all these gizmos, I guess it would be exciting descending your hill relying on hill descent when it goes into fault mode and gives up. Like traction control it's only window dressing as you only have a short time before the brakes overheat.
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Unreliability? I've never had the ABS or TC fail on any car I've owned - even the Range Rovers!! I can't believe brakes which are designed to stop 2 ton+ cars safely from 130+mph will overheat crawling at 4mph.
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I think you're being a bit unfair here Data; the mechanical component that are prone to failure (EAS and so on) only do so if they are not well maintained, as you yourself have pointed out to many a faulty airbag holder. The computers on the P38 are from the 90s and yes, have their little foibles, but cannot be compared to the computers in modern cars, which I don't think I would be wrong in saying are both 1000x more powerful, and better programmed, with more efficient algorithms.
Yes, a modern Range Rover has a lot that can go wrong compared to a 90, but that doesn't mean, if they're looked after as such an expensive piece of kit should be, that they will go wrong.
 
I like it!
it looks good!
im gonna test drive one asap!
and im sure its gonna be awesome offroad( which i will be taking it on the test drive) landy experience voucher awaiting use.
Every one slated the p38,s looks. ( hackney carriage).
Every one slated the rear of the l322.
EVERYONE WILL SLATE THIS, BUT I BET ITS GONNA BE AWESOME.
I want one. want one now, not that one! that one!
lol
 
TCubed said:
I think you're being a bit unfair here Data; the mechanical component that are prone to failure (EAS and so on) only do so if they are not well maintained, as you yourself have pointed out to many a faulty airbag holder. The computers on the P38 are from the 90s and yes, have their little foibles, but cannot be compared to the computers in modern cars, which I don't think I would be wrong in saying are both 1000x more powerful, and better programmed, with more efficient algorithms.
Yes, a modern Range Rover has a lot that can go wrong compared to a 90, but that doesn't mean, if they're looked after as such an expensive piece of kit should be, that they will go wrong.
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a vehicle that is humid inside (lack of air con use, leaky, driving in wet clothes) will still years down the line play havoc with electrics as components that aren't well sealed corrode.

Had it on an older vehicle where I spent months trying to work out why the main beams didnt work. Turned out to be the tiniest bit of corrosion shorting a chip across 2 of it legs. The box was sealed but next to the bar metal work inside and the condensation had dripped into one of the connections. No matter how well you try and maintain, you can't get round some design faults...which LR have to be very wary of.

While none of us doubt electrics and computers are great and in this era and make a great vehicle - when they work its great..10 years down the line and they dont it's a real ball ache. Where as now we fix things with spanners and sledge hammers this vehicle will probably require all it maintenance done by someone with the 'unique' diagnostics tool who charges £150 an our in labour. I can see it..."Testbook needed to release oil sump plug lock" ...oh wait sorry..."computer says no..."
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
Datatek said:
Unreliability? I've never had the ABS or TC fail on any car I've owned - even the Range Rovers!! I can't believe brakes which are designed to stop 2 ton+ cars safely from 130+mph will overheat crawling at 4mph.
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ABS ECU failure is pretty common and not just on the P38. The handbook states that traction control will only work for a limited period as otherwise the brakes will overheat. Stopping from 130mph (in a P38? mine won't go that fast) is a different thing, for the first part of the stop there is considerable airflow for cooling, yes the brakes will heat up but overall the duration is short usually followed by a fair rest period unless you are on a race track. Dragging one or more brakes more or less continuously at 4mph with virtually no air flow for cooling will heat them up PDQ.
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aerofabrique said:
a vehicle that is humid inside (lack of air con use, leaky, driving in wet clothes) will still years down the line play havoc with electrics as components that aren't well sealed corrode.

Had it on an older vehicle where I spent months trying to work out why the main beams didnt work. Turned out to be the tiniest bit of corrosion shorting a chip across 2 of it legs. The box was sealed but next to the bar metal work inside and the condensation had dripped into one of the connections. No matter how well you try and maintain, you can't get round some design faults...which LR have to be very wary of.

While none of us doubt electrics and computers are great and in this era and make a great vehicle - when they work its great..10 years down the line and they dont it's a real ball ache. Where as now we fix things with spanners and sledge hammers this vehicle will probably require all it maintenance done by someone with the 'unique' diagnostics tool who charges £150 an our in labour. I can see it..."Testbook needed to release oil sump plug lock" ...oh wait sorry..."computer says no..."
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Injectors, alternators,and probably sump plugs etc coded to the car and cannot be changed without diagnostics:mad:
 
I work onsite at Solihull and have been seeing the new models around for a while. I didn't like it at first, but it's grown on me now the more colour schemes i've seen and I think the modern looks just take a bit of getting used to, especially when you're so used to seeing Classics\P38's and L322's every day.

Shame we've lost the castelated bonnet from the the classic now, but it's still recognisable as a Range Rover IMO and I hope they sell well for the sake of the company.
 
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