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On 2006-05-11, Lee_D <[email protected]> wrote:

> Erm.... I think Steve had painting it on to your petrol tank in mind...


I think you've been "attending incidents" at the Blue Oyster a little
too much again...

<insert gags about truncheons and handcuffs>

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On or around Thu, 11 May 2006 10:18:41 +0100, Geoff
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 9 May 2006 18:21:18 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>->On 2006-05-09, Geoff <[email protected]> wrote:
>->
>->> All you will have is a pile of rust on the floor and a fuel tank that is
>->> suitable only as a colander.
>->
>->That's what I'm starting with ;-)
>->
>->(It's not that bad TBH)
>->
>->I see you're still anoraking then, once I get the Pinzgauer back on
>->the road I'll have to pop along to one of your events. If you know
>->anyone who wants to buy a Defender 110 with engine mods and various
>->recon bits of drivetrain then I might be selling.
>
>Still playing tho not as often anymore, I think a group of us are off to Slindon
>in a couple of weeks.
>
>Can't help with the 110, not enought seats ;-)


That's why I want to put a transit body onto one. 12 seats, all forward
facing, with belts, decent headroom...

Oi, Ian - you bringing the Pinz. to Eastnor?

I've just worked out that I've got about a month to repair Edward II and get
him MOTd.

--
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Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
On or around 11 May 2006 01:32:00 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Bought a sand blast gun from machine mart ( the one that has the bag to
>reuse the grit , cost about 20 quid , I use play pit sand or paving
>sand bout 3 quid a bag


is this one that runs off the compressor, I assume? Might be worth having
one of they. How much air does it need?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)
 
On 2006-05-12, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> That's why I want to put a transit body onto one. 12 seats, all forward
> facing, with belts, decent headroom...


Can you not mod a county?

> Oi, Ian - you bringing the Pinz. to Eastnor?


It's possible, I've already been asked by my local RoW group to come
along for the whole weekend with camping, but as they needed me to
make the decision right there and then I had to say no. I may well
turn up as a punter though, especially if I don't sell the 110 before
then, might get some doors.

> I've just worked out that I've got about a month to repair Edward II
> and get him MOTd.


Pinz still in bits at the mo, simple job has turned into a nightmare
because some turd has used great gobs of loctite on the portals to
seal the bearing collars and wheel gears to the wheel flange shaft,
totally unnecessary. It's with someone with proper tools at the
moment, I wrecked my three-leg puller trying to get it all off. Need
to get the gear off to repair seal that's behind it. Should easily be
ready before Eastnor though.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On Friday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Ian Rawlings" wrote:

> Pinz still in bits at the mo, simple job has turned into a nightmare
> because some turd has used great gobs of loctite on the portals to
> seal the bearing collars and wheel gears to the wheel flange shaft,
> totally unnecessary. It's with someone with proper tools at the
> moment, I wrecked my three-leg puller trying to get it all off. Need
> to get the gear off to repair seal that's behind it. Should easily be
> ready before Eastnor though.


Ouch.

$BIG_NUM years ago, I had a combine harvester with part of the knife-
drive mechanism needing a rebuild every year. It was a crank-arm on a
tapered shaft that was a little under-specced for the knife length. And
the shaft was a very expensive part. So I would spend a couple of days
repairing the keyway, turning the taper back to spec, and lapping
together the shaft and crank.

The one time somebody from the dealer had tried to fix it, he'd just
smothered the wear with loctite. It had lasted about a day.

It was, I understand, a table designed for American crops, which
generally were about a half the yield that we were getting at the time.
But that was enough to soak up most of any design margin.

Even then, a farmer's time had a pretty low value, and that particular
shaft cost over five hundred quid.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."
 

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around 11 May 2006 01:32:00 -0700, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Bought a sand blast gun from machine mart ( the one that has the bag to
> >reuse the grit , cost about 20 quid , I use play pit sand or paving
> >sand bout 3 quid a bag

>
> is this one that runs off the compressor, I assume? Might be worth having
> one of they. How much air does it need?
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
> drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
> flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)


its a little hand held gun , i have run it of one of the 60quid
compressor from b&q and it worked realy well
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=000512005&r=2015&g=103

says 7cfm but its a lot less worked better at high pressure but low
rate around 3cfm if you use much above that it gets blocked

paul

 
On or around Fri, 12 May 2006 10:06:08 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2006-05-12, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> That's why I want to put a transit body onto one. 12 seats, all forward
>> facing, with belts, decent headroom...

>
>Can you not mod a county?


nah. can't get enough seats in 'em - I've had one; 7 forward facing pax is
about all you can credibly get in and that's a pain, as you end up folding
up back ones to get ain and you have to use the centre front seat.

interior space is the one thing LRs fall down on - the tranny is about the
same size, length x width as the 110 but has LOADS more interior space.

>> Oi, Ian - you bringing the Pinz. to Eastnor?

>
>> I've just worked out that I've got about a month to repair Edward II
>> and get him MOTd.

>
>Pinz still in bits at the mo, simple job has turned into a nightmare
>because some turd has used great gobs of loctite on the portals to
>seal the bearing collars and wheel gears to the wheel flange shaft,
>totally unnecessary. It's with someone with proper tools at the
>moment, I wrecked my three-leg puller trying to get it all off. Need
>to get the gear off to repair seal that's behind it. Should easily be
>ready before Eastnor though.


buggrem. why do people do stupid stuff like that? I mean, I'm all in
favour of bodging things, but use summat like silicon sealer, not loctite,
if you want to bodge seals.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.

a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!
 
On or around 12 May 2006 04:32:23 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around 11 May 2006 01:32:00 -0700, "[email protected]"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >Bought a sand blast gun from machine mart ( the one that has the bag to
>> >reuse the grit , cost about 20 quid , I use play pit sand or paving
>> >sand bout 3 quid a bag

>>
>> is this one that runs off the compressor, I assume? Might be worth having
>> one of they. How much air does it need?
>> --
>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
>> Soon shall thy arm, unconquered steam! afar Drag the slow barge, or
>> drive the rapid car; Or on wide-waving wings expanded bear the
>> flying chariot through the field of air.- Erasmus Darwin (1731-1802)

>
>its a little hand held gun , i have run it of one of the 60quid
>compressor from b&q and it worked realy well
>http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=000512005&r=2015&g=103
>
>says 7cfm but its a lot less worked better at high pressure but low
>rate around 3cfm if you use much above that it gets blocked


coo. I'll have a look. might prove handy, I've sundry rusty bodywork to
repair on the car, for a start.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.

a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!
 
On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:45:39 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>Can you not mod a county?

>
>nah. can't get enough seats in 'em - I've had one; 7 forward facing pax is
>about all you can credibly get in and that's a pain, as you end up folding
>up back ones to get ain and you have to use the centre front seat.
>
>interior space is the one thing LRs fall down on - the tranny is about the
>same size, length x width as the 110 but has LOADS more interior space.


I thought he meant a County converted transit!

AJH

 
On 2006-05-12, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> nah. can't get enough seats in 'em - I've had one; 7 forward facing pax is
> about all you can credibly get in and that's a pain, as you end up folding
> up back ones to get ain and you have to use the centre front seat.


I mentioned something about you wanting to put a transit body on a
landy, and I was asked "Why", and I have to confess to not knowing,
what's it all about in the first place?

> buggrem. why do people do stupid stuff like that? I mean, I'm all in
> favour of bodging things, but use summat like silicon sealer, not loctite,
> if you want to bodge seals.


It's not the seal they were trying to fix, the wheel shaft of the
portal axle has a large gear pressed onto it with the inside collar of
a needle bearing pressed on after it, at least the collar has been
loctited onto the shaft, meaning that I can't shift the bleeder. Once
I get that off I have to remove the gear wheel, which may also be
loctited, then I can get at the seal. There's no need for the loctite
as it takes several tons of pressure to get the gear and collars off,
and there's a large lipped retaining plate that is bolted to the end
of the shaft that keeps it all in place too.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On or around Fri, 12 May 2006 16:07:54 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2006-05-12, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> nah. can't get enough seats in 'em - I've had one; 7 forward facing pax is
>> about all you can credibly get in and that's a pain, as you end up folding
>> up back ones to get ain and you have to use the centre front seat.

>
>I mentioned something about you wanting to put a transit body on a
>landy, and I was asked "Why", and I have to confess to not knowing,
>what's it all about in the first place?


Regulations about carrying children mean that you have to have
forward-facing seats and seat belts. I used to use a 110 and I've also used
a disco with a specially made rear bench seat, but neither are ideal and
access to either is not good. The interior space of the tranny body is
about twice that of the disco and almost twice the 110, plus the access is
better. I'm currently operating with 8 passenger seats, but the transit can
easily go to 11 (which would entail being PCV licensed which is why I don't
do it) which is impossible in a 110 within the regulations, and cramped at
best even if you could use the sideways benches.

But the principle reasons are a) it's a fun challenge and b) if it works
well, I might be able to sell 'em...

>> buggrem. why do people do stupid stuff like that? I mean, I'm all in
>> favour of bodging things, but use summat like silicon sealer, not loctite,
>> if you want to bodge seals.

>
>It's not the seal they were trying to fix, the wheel shaft of the
>portal axle has a large gear pressed onto it with the inside collar of
>a needle bearing pressed on after it, at least the collar has been
>loctited onto the shaft, meaning that I can't shift the bleeder. Once
>I get that off I have to remove the gear wheel, which may also be
>loctited, then I can get at the seal. >There's no need for the loctite
>as it takes several tons of pressure to get the gear and collars off,
>and there's a large lipped retaining plate that is bolted to the end
>of the shaft that keeps it all in place too.


Only reason for loctiting that I can imagine is wear on the shaft making the
bearing a loose fit. Not a good solution but one that I could understand.

loctite will undo if you heat it, I assume you know that? the bearing race
might end up scrap, but I assume that can be replaced. It doesn't have to
get all that hot, though.
--
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"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and
therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Fri, 12 May 2006 16:07:54 +0100, Ian Rawlings
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>On 2006-05-12, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>nah. can't get enough seats in 'em - I've had one; 7 forward facing pax is
>>>about all you can credibly get in and that's a pain, as you end up folding
>>>up back ones to get ain and you have to use the centre front seat.

>>
>>I mentioned something about you wanting to put a transit body on a
>>landy, and I was asked "Why", and I have to confess to not knowing,
>>what's it all about in the first place?

>
>
> Regulations about carrying children mean that you have to have
> forward-facing seats and seat belts. I used to use a 110 and I've also used
> a disco with a specially made rear bench seat, but neither are ideal and
> access to either is not good. The interior space of the tranny body is
> about twice that of the disco and almost twice the 110, plus the access is
> better. I'm currently operating with 8 passenger seats, but the transit can
> easily go to 11 (which would entail being PCV licensed which is why I don't
> do it) which is impossible in a 110 within the regulations, and cramped at
> best even if you could use the sideways benches.
>

My understanding of the regs is that anyone over the age of 21 with a
full licence of three years standing can drive up to 17 seats (driver +
16 passengers) - certainly I never had to take a PCV licence to drive
any school minibuses, all I had to do was prove competence for the
insurers. A bloke from the local bus company came and sat with me as I
drive around the neighbourhood. When he complemented me on my driving,
I told him I drove Land Rovers - he said all the good drivers he sees
drive them.

Stuart
 
On 2006-05-13, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:


> Only reason for loctiting that I can imagine is wear on the shaft
> making the bearing a loose fit. Not a good solution but one that I
> could understand.


Yes, I'll be checking out shaft wear once I've got it all off.

> loctite will undo if you heat it, I assume you know that?


I do, I left it with some chap in town who said he'd finish it by the
end of play on Thursday, but by the time EOP Friday came around and it
was still on his bench untouched, I took it home last night. I heated
the collar (still wouldn't move), dremelled some slots in the side and
got the gear pullers on it and it started to move. Unfortuntately I
managed to take a tiny slice out of the shaft too, but we're talking
1mm wide by about the same deep, on the free end of the shaft
(i.e. not between the driving gear and the wheel) so I'm not that
concerned. The shaft is about 2 inches in diameter.

Whether the gear will move is another matter, I'll be continuing the
fight today. I'd much rather do it myself than leave it to the chap
in town, he'd do a better job eventually but getting advice and using
that to do it myself is far better.

> the bearing race might end up scrap, but I assume that can be
> replaced.


The bearing is pretty much stock available from most bearing
suppliers, the factory one costs £60 and will take three weeks to
arrive, the same unit from a local supplier costs £30 and will be here
on Tuesday (theoretically).

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On or around Sat, 13 May 2006 09:30:13 +0200, Srtgray
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Fri, 12 May 2006 16:07:54 +0100, Ian Rawlings
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>On 2006-05-12, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>nah. can't get enough seats in 'em - I've had one; 7 forward facing pax is
>>>>about all you can credibly get in and that's a pain, as you end up folding
>>>>up back ones to get ain and you have to use the centre front seat.
>>>
>>>I mentioned something about you wanting to put a transit body on a
>>>landy, and I was asked "Why", and I have to confess to not knowing,
>>>what's it all about in the first place?

>>
>>
>> Regulations about carrying children mean that you have to have
>> forward-facing seats and seat belts. I used to use a 110 and I've also used
>> a disco with a specially made rear bench seat, but neither are ideal and
>> access to either is not good. The interior space of the tranny body is
>> about twice that of the disco and almost twice the 110, plus the access is
>> better. I'm currently operating with 8 passenger seats, but the transit can
>> easily go to 11 (which would entail being PCV licensed which is why I don't
>> do it) which is impossible in a 110 within the regulations, and cramped at
>> best even if you could use the sideways benches.
>>

>My understanding of the regs is that anyone over the age of 21 with a
>full licence of three years standing can drive up to 17 seats (driver +
>16 passengers) - certainly I never had to take a PCV licence to drive
>any school minibuses,


that's true if you're a school employee (say) or volunteer driving on a trip
or something. it's very much not true if you're driving for hire or reward;
as witness the bloke who's just been hauled over the coals for killing a
schoolgirl in South Wales by crashing the bus, turned out not to have a
suitable licence.

Hire and reward is class D1 for anything with more than 9 and up to 17 seats
including driver.

You also don't get "D1 (category restriction 1)" which is the one that
allows you to drive the school minibus on a new licence which dates from
1/1/97 onwards, same as you don't get C1 and large trailers.

to drive 17 seaters commercially you need a ful D1 licence (or D), AKA PCV
licence. Also the vehicle has to be PSV tested, and is subject to 6-weekly
inspections I think.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sat, 13 May 2006 09:30:13 +0200, Srtgray
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>>On or around Fri, 12 May 2006 16:07:54 +0100, Ian Rawlings
>>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 2006-05-12, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>nah. can't get enough seats in 'em - I've had one; 7 forward facing pax is
>>>>>about all you can credibly get in and that's a pain, as you end up folding
>>>>>up back ones to get ain and you have to use the centre front seat.
>>>>
>>>>I mentioned something about you wanting to put a transit body on a
>>>>landy, and I was asked "Why", and I have to confess to not knowing,
>>>>what's it all about in the first place?
>>>
>>>
>>>Regulations about carrying children mean that you have to have
>>>forward-facing seats and seat belts. I used to use a 110 and I've also used
>>>a disco with a specially made rear bench seat, but neither are ideal and
>>>access to either is not good. The interior space of the tranny body is
>>>about twice that of the disco and almost twice the 110, plus the access is
>>>better. I'm currently operating with 8 passenger seats, but the transit can
>>>easily go to 11 (which would entail being PCV licensed which is why I don't
>>>do it) which is impossible in a 110 within the regulations, and cramped at
>>>best even if you could use the sideways benches.
>>>

>>
>>My understanding of the regs is that anyone over the age of 21 with a
>>full licence of three years standing can drive up to 17 seats (driver +
>>16 passengers) - certainly I never had to take a PCV licence to drive
>>any school minibuses,

>
>
> that's true if you're a school employee (say) or volunteer driving on a trip
> or something. it's very much not true if you're driving for hire or reward;
> as witness the bloke who's just been hauled over the coals for killing a
> schoolgirl in South Wales by crashing the bus, turned out not to have a
> suitable licence.
>
> Hire and reward is class D1 for anything with more than 9 and up to 17 seats
> including driver.
>
> You also don't get "D1 (category restriction 1)" which is the one that
> allows you to drive the school minibus on a new licence which dates from
> 1/1/97 onwards, same as you don't get C1 and large trailers.
>
> to drive 17 seaters commercially you need a ful D1 licence (or D), AKA PCV
> licence. Also the vehicle has to be PSV tested, and is subject to 6-weekly
> inspections I think.

Ah, I thought you were just talking about for the family. Of course
Hire and Reward is a different kettle of cod.

Stuart
 
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