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Taken from another forum, not sure if it's been seen on here before but important if you compete off road, and I can guarantee that the survey link is legit and not a scam!
Guys and gals, I'm passing on this from one of the MSA's Cross Country Committee. It does affect us all so if you have a minute we might manage to help shape the way our sport goes - or we just stay silent and let a few decide... Over to you! Thanks
Following our discussions at the last Cross Country Committee, I set about gathering data from our club members on the tyres they use. I've devised a short (10 question) on-line survey and posted it on our forum. I intend to gather the data and the comments users are posting and send them to Ian (Davies of MSA) at the end of the month, I'll copy the rest of you in too.
To get more data, could you circulate the web URL to your contacts?
The survey is at: Off Road Tyre choices
Feel free to spread this far and wide!
So far the response to a request for comments about the possibility of banning certain types of tyre has been mixed and generally accepting of the need to stop ground damage.
Regards
Karl
Some of the comments so far:
1. poss prohibit diamonds but not mud-terrains. all terrains can be dangerous on the terrain we race on
2. I would have no objection to Diamond pattern tyres being banned for all events. But I do think mud-terrain pattern should be allowed. (As the AWDC are proceding). Our club has held a CCV at my parents farm for 18 years. There was no lasting damage on the ground when normal mud-terrain tyres were used. (i.e. BFG, Trackers, SATS etc....). But when Diamonds started being used we have stopped certain long hillclimbs because they rip through and destroy the root structure. Whereas with a conventional mud-terrain, looks like it has made a mess, but in reality the damage is seldom deeper than about 2 or 3 inches. The ground therefore actually recovers very quickly. (The ground is mostly grassy hill land in an area of outstanding natural beauty, so this is important!!!).
3. in all cases ground damage should be kept to a minimum
4. Some events now have 'control tyres' specified in the SRs, makes it a level playing field(!) and shows the land-owner that the organisers are trying to minimise damage. Some tyres have been banned from ALRC events for a long time anyway, it's just a step further.
5. I think stipulating a particular 'style' of tyre for events would be a good idea as long as the style stipulated remains the same for ALL similar events, i.e. RTV all must use All Terrains.
6. If we need this or no more trialing etc what choice do we have?
7. IF there is a decision to ban any sort of tyre it should not be made effective immediately. many people buy just one set of tyres to last them many years in this "low cost" motor sport and to force them into buying another set may mean that they leave the sport altogether.
8. severe tread patterns on greenlanes damage the lanes for other users
9. Banning certain types of tyre will not stop the bad driving style of some drivers. I don't agree with banning some or all MT tyres overall. SR's can be used at sensitive or likely damaged sites.
This is important if you compete or intend to compete so take the survey!
Cheers,
Steve
Guys and gals, I'm passing on this from one of the MSA's Cross Country Committee. It does affect us all so if you have a minute we might manage to help shape the way our sport goes - or we just stay silent and let a few decide... Over to you! Thanks
Following our discussions at the last Cross Country Committee, I set about gathering data from our club members on the tyres they use. I've devised a short (10 question) on-line survey and posted it on our forum. I intend to gather the data and the comments users are posting and send them to Ian (Davies of MSA) at the end of the month, I'll copy the rest of you in too.
To get more data, could you circulate the web URL to your contacts?
The survey is at: Off Road Tyre choices
Feel free to spread this far and wide!
So far the response to a request for comments about the possibility of banning certain types of tyre has been mixed and generally accepting of the need to stop ground damage.
Regards
Karl
Some of the comments so far:
1. poss prohibit diamonds but not mud-terrains. all terrains can be dangerous on the terrain we race on
2. I would have no objection to Diamond pattern tyres being banned for all events. But I do think mud-terrain pattern should be allowed. (As the AWDC are proceding). Our club has held a CCV at my parents farm for 18 years. There was no lasting damage on the ground when normal mud-terrain tyres were used. (i.e. BFG, Trackers, SATS etc....). But when Diamonds started being used we have stopped certain long hillclimbs because they rip through and destroy the root structure. Whereas with a conventional mud-terrain, looks like it has made a mess, but in reality the damage is seldom deeper than about 2 or 3 inches. The ground therefore actually recovers very quickly. (The ground is mostly grassy hill land in an area of outstanding natural beauty, so this is important!!!).
3. in all cases ground damage should be kept to a minimum
4. Some events now have 'control tyres' specified in the SRs, makes it a level playing field(!) and shows the land-owner that the organisers are trying to minimise damage. Some tyres have been banned from ALRC events for a long time anyway, it's just a step further.
5. I think stipulating a particular 'style' of tyre for events would be a good idea as long as the style stipulated remains the same for ALL similar events, i.e. RTV all must use All Terrains.
6. If we need this or no more trialing etc what choice do we have?
7. IF there is a decision to ban any sort of tyre it should not be made effective immediately. many people buy just one set of tyres to last them many years in this "low cost" motor sport and to force them into buying another set may mean that they leave the sport altogether.
8. severe tread patterns on greenlanes damage the lanes for other users
9. Banning certain types of tyre will not stop the bad driving style of some drivers. I don't agree with banning some or all MT tyres overall. SR's can be used at sensitive or likely damaged sites.
This is important if you compete or intend to compete so take the survey!
Cheers,
Steve
