L322 M62 Rebuild.

@Henry_b

Please explain VANOS to me (I could goggle but I think it would be beneficial to anyone reading this at a later date)

dieseldog69 said:

@Henry_b

Please explain VANOS to me (I could goggle but I think it would be beneficial to anyone reading this at a later date)

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The Vanos on the M62 it varies the timing by moving the position of the camhafts in relation to the drive gear. The relative timing between inlet and exhaust valves are changed.

At lower engine RPM the position of the camshaft is moved so the valves are opened later this improves idling quality and you have a smoother power delivery. As the engine speed increases the valves are opened earlier this increases/enhances torque and powah! it also marginally reduces fuel consumption and lowers emissions a bit.. At high engine speeds the valves are opened later again, because this allows full power delivery so you get that M62 growl

Or rattle when it's broken

single infinitely variable VANOS is what is used on the M62!

Amd thats all i can remember off the top of me head..

So basically variable valve control, but a little more fancy.

Henry_b said:

The Vanos on the M62 it varies the timing by moving the position of the camhafts in relation to the drive gear. The relative timing between inlet and exhaust valves are changed.

At lower engine RPM the position of the camshaft is moved so the valves are opened later this improves idling quality and you have a smoother power delivery. As the engine speed increases the valves are opened earlier this increases/enhances torque and powah! it also marginally reduces fuel consumption and lowers emissions a bit.. At high engine speeds the valves are opened later again, because this allows full power delivery so you get that M62 growl

Or rattle when it's broken

single infinitely variable VANOS is what is used on the M62!

Amd thats all i can remember off the top of me head..

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Basically VANOS is variable valve timing

Were there earlier non VANOS M62 engines? Is the VANOS worth the hassle that it can become? Is there a way of stripping it out and getting shot of it if it becomes troublesome without altering engine characteristics too severely?

dieseldog69 said:

Basically VANOS is variable valve timing

Were there earlier non VANOS M62 engines? Is the VANOS worth the hassle that it can become? Is there a way of stripping it out and getting shot of it if it becomes troublesome without altering engine characteristics too severely?

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The M62 went through a few iterations the early ones were non Vanos..

in 1998 there was a Technical update or TU that added Vanos to the inlet cams.

And of course there was the s62 which was the monster that was fitted to the M5!!!

As above Vanos improves power and torque, and they rev to the moon there is a rumour that vanos add 15% extra power but its a tad optimistic.





You can't remove the Vanos its quite integral


Nightmare to time!!

Rebuilding it doesn't look too difficult

Slightly off topic..

I work and supervise over some apprentices when i'm mucking around with engines and fixing various cars, in a workshop in the middle of nowhere, fookin freezin!

I've been in the place from 7am to around 10pm, just got home..

The Apprentices are so ahh indescribably annoying and lazy, we have a customer that needs this astra fitted out with a rad and new Aux belt by tomorrow, i tasked one of the apprentices to do it..

A simple 30min job..

Of course the little asswipe has disappeared and upon investigation the little **** had left and gone home..

So this little package of parts needed to be fitted, great just when i thought about goin' home 'twas 9.30pm so not too late!..





New aux belt to boot.

And all fitted out within 25mins..



Straight forward and simple as shyte.

Pressure tested and bled too.


No leaks..

And finished by 10.15pm.
These Apprentices aren't gonna have a future if this is how they're going to screw around..

Such a shame how lazy this generation has become..


And now the piccies won't play ball!!!!

Henry_b said:

Slightly off topic..

I work and supervise over some apprentices when i'm mucking around with engines and fixing various cars, in a workshop in the middle of nowhere, fookin freezin!

I've been in the place from 7am to around 10pm, just got home..

The Apprentices are so ahh indescribably annoying and lazy, we have a customer that needs this astra fitted out with a rad and new Aux belt by tomorrow, i tasked one of the apprentices to do it..

A simple 30min job..

Of course the little asswipe has disappeared and upon investigation the little **** had left and gone home..

So this little package of parts needed to be fitted, great just when i thought about goin' home 'twas 9.30pm so not too late!..

New aux belt to boot.

And all fitted out within 25mins..

Straight forward and simple as shyte.

Pressure tested and bled too.

No leaks..

And finished by 10.15pm.
These Apprentices aren't gonna have a future if this is how they're going to screw around..

Such a shame how lazy this generation has become..


And now the piccies won't play ball!!!!

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Why should they do what they are supposed to? There are no real consequences facing them if they don't, all that happens is mummy and (maybe?) daddy say "there, there didums, them nasty men were mean and nasty to you, we'll make a hate crime report to plod in the morning", when I was a kid it was do as you are supposed to or get the belt and if you phucked up again and made a show of mum or dad woe betide you for it!!! Getting the sack don't worry them, as there aren't enough bodies to fill their place should they get the boot and they know it, you can't bollok them properly or they run off crying and then make complaints.

I have no answers, well, none that people would appreciate

dieseldog69 said:

Why should they do what they are supposed to? There are no real consequences facing them if they don't, all that happens is mummy and (maybe?) daddy say "there, there didums, them nasty men were mean and nasty to you, we'll make a hate crime report to plod in the morning", when I was a kid it was do as you are supposed to or get the belt and if you phucked up again and made a show of mum or dad woe betide you for it!!! Getting the sack don't worry them, as there aren't enough bodies to fill their place should they get the boot and they know it, you can't bollok them properly or they run off crying and then make complaints.

I have no answers, well, none that people would appreciate

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Ah its all good now, i think they're tending to their meth farm in their basement!!

Anyway everything is done now!!

Got a transit motor pulled today, need to ave a look at the inside as its locked up solid.

Henry_b said:

Slightly off topic..

I work and supervise over some apprentices when i'm mucking around with engines and fixing various cars, in a workshop in the middle of nowhere, fookin freezin!

I've been in the place from 7am to around 10pm, just got home..

The Apprentices are so ahh indescribably annoying and lazy, we have a customer that needs this astra fitted out with a rad and new Aux belt by tomorrow, i tasked one of the apprentices to do it..

A simple 30min job..

Of course the little asswipe has disappeared and upon investigation the little **** had left and gone home..

So this little package of parts needed to be fitted, great just when i thought about goin' home 'twas 9.30pm so not too late!..

New aux belt to boot.

And all fitted out within 25mins..

Straight forward and simple as shyte.

Pressure tested and bled too.

No leaks..

And finished by 10.15pm.
These Apprentices aren't gonna have a future if this is how they're going to screw around..

Such a shame how lazy this generation has become..


And now the piccies won't play ball!!!!

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when did he leave after or before contracted hours

jamesmartin said:

when did he leave after or before contracted hours

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Before, around 1 1/2 hour before..

The boss ain't happy but hey ho all the cars are done now so eh...

Hopefully next week they stay a bit longer!

Henry_b said:

Before, around 1 1/2 before..

The boss ain't happy..

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id sack him then unless theres a good reason

jamesmartin said:

id sack him then unless theres a good reason

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I think the boss is willing to give him another chance, but i'm not holding my breath.

Not that i care too much you understand..

Henry_b said:

I think the boss is willing to give him another chance, but i'm not holding my breath.

Not that i care too much you understand..

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are you 18 years old ?are you an apprentice too but with a work ethic

jamesmartin said:

are you 18 years old ?are you an apprentice too but with a work ethic

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Bit hard to explain but i'll do me best..

I am at a college course from Monday-wednesday..

From wednesday to saturday i'm working at a small garage as part of the "work experience" thing that is recommended by the college apparently work experience looks good on my CV, a small garage had a placement for a capable person to do some jobs so i jumped at the opportunity.

Usually around my work hours there are a three Apprentices.

Unfortunately they don't take it seriously, don't think they realise they're mucking around with Peoples cars instead of the scrap we have at college.

I get on very well with the boss and i have a good work ethic plus experience so its a match made in heaven and i'm almost always work till the late hours finishing jobs...

It's not that the others are incapable they just don't take it seriously and/or think its too much like hard work..

Which is a shame..

That astra above was an easy job, he just couldn't be bothered..

I'm gonna be doing an apprenticeship at a franchise dealer next year, this is to just give me a stepping stone if you will..

Kind of regret not going for an apprenticeship, but once i start something i have to finish..

So i'll finish this course first..

Henry_b said:

Bit hard to explain but i'll do me best..

I am at a college course from Monday-wednesday..

From wednesday to saturday i'm working at a small garage as part of the "work experience" thing that is recommended by the college apparently work experience looks good on my CV, a small garage had a placement for a capable person to do some jobs so i jumped at the opportunity.

Usually around my work hours there are a three Apprentices.

Unfortunately they don't take it seriously, don't think they realise they're mucking around with Peoples cars instead of the scrap we have at college.

I get on very well with the boss and i have a good work ethic plus experience so its a match made in heaven and i'm almost always work till the late hours finishing jobs...

It's not that the others are incapable they just don't take it seriously and/or think its too much like hard work..

Which is a shame..

That astra above was an easy job, he just couldn't be bothered..

I'm gonna be doing an apprenticeship at a franchise dealer next year, this is to just give me a stepping stone if you will..

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what are you working towards at college

jamesmartin said:

what are you working towards at college

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Engineering and Motor Vehicle..

Being LV1 its basically teaching you the basics, like tools and safety etc etc..



Not challenging enough for me personally but its interesting..

Apprenticeship next year. hopefully.

Henry_b said:

Engineering and Motor Vehicle..

Being LV1 its basically teaching you the basics, like tools and safety etc etc..



Not challenging enough for me personally but its interesting..

Apprenticeship next year. hopefully.

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with the boss you are working with already?
you need a route to where ever your going and its great youve put effort in ,unfortunately its often been lacking previously, often the problem is showing or proving what an asset you are by interview but you can by work experience

jamesmartin said:

with the boss you are working with already?
you need a route to where ever your going and its great youve put effort in ,unfortunately its often been lacking previously, often the problem is showing or proving what an asset you are by interview but you can by work experience

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At college there are a few lecturers

and at this small rural garage there is the BOSS, 'tis what i call him..

He doesn't mind

College concentrates on the quizzing the students from books and the occasional practical day

Couldn't really hack only 1 day in the shop so i applied for work experience the rest of the week in a small garage..

I think an apprenticeship is the way to go, its just deciding what brand and area to specialise in..

Land Rover would be my dream but as they say, best laid plans

Henry_b said:

At college there are a few lecturers

and at this small rural garage there is the BOSS, 'tis what i call him..

He doesn't mind

College concentrates on the quizzing the students from books and the occasional practical day

Couldn't really hack only 1 day in the shop so i applied for work experience the rest of the week in a small garage..

I think an apprenticeship is the way to go, its just deciding what brand and area to specialise in..

Land Rover would be my dream but as they say, best laid plans

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you just need the papers ie qualification so apprenticeship is a valued paper, i trained or was an apprentice agricultural engineer often looked down on by car mechanics, but it gave me the skills to build on with rebuilding engines gear boxes and any other unit which the car mechanics at the time had stopped doing ,but maybe your current boss offers an opportunity

jamesmartin said:

you just need the papers ie qualification so apprenticeship is a valued paper, i trained or was an apprentice agricultural engineer often looked down on by car mechanics, but it gave me the skills to build on with rebuilding engines gear boxes and any other unit which the car mechanics at the time had stopped doing ,but maybe your current boss offers an opportunity

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Yes the skills that i'm learning at this place are quite valuable., pulling engines dissecting and rebuilding them is, to put it in a cheesy way "fun"

Fortunately I learn relatively quickly regarding hands on work

Working towards the papers/qualification is what i'm aiming to do, once i have them i'll be off and running..


Hopefully..