Key code lock out !!!

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darklordvader

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Hi all, Just went to move the wifes p38 and it would not start so tryed to resync the key fob as per hand book with no joy the key fob seems ok cos there is a nive red light when buttons are pressed ,now the dash reads KEY CODE LOCKOUT what does that actually mean and how can I get in and start the bloody ,if anyone can help it would be great.

I have done a search but there was nothing really to cover this .

Cheers.
 
think you will need to enter the emergency acces code

try searching for that - EKA code
 
Well the AA man has been and has got it running by using EKA code ,he then tried to sync both key fobs we have but it will not start just comes up with "engine disabled press remote "message ,any suggestions as to what the problem could be .

Cheers.
 
darklordvader said:
Well the AA man has been and has got it running by using EKA code ,he then tried to sync both key fobs we have but it will not start just comes up with "engine disabled press remote "message ,any suggestions as to what the problem could be .

Cheers.
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yep - mine did the same 2 weeks ago

mine would unlock - but them said engine disabled etc etc

the BECM had had enough - local indy landrover guy hooked it up to diagnostics,

had to take the BECM out - send it off - get it repaired/fixed, returned, re- installed it - and it started straight up no error messages

thats the good news!!!!!!!


the bad news is the best part of £800:(
 
coz said:
yep - mine did the same 2 weeks ago

mine would unlock - but them said engine disabled etc etc

the BECM had had enough - local indy landrover guy hooked it up to diagnostics,

had to take the BECM out - send it off - get it repaired/fixed, returned, re- installed it - and it started straight up no error messages

thats the good news!!!!!!!


the bad news is the best part of £800:(
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Nope, thats not a BECM problem. It's an RF receiver problem once more. You have the old AFR1953 RF receiver installed.

You have the same problem I had. What you need to do is book your RR into an independent LR specialist or your local LR ripp-off dealer and ask them to install part number YWY500170. This is a NEW RF receiver which replaces your original Part Number AFR1953.

The reason being is that the old receiver that is fitted to all RR P38's was defective from day one and suffers from being bombarded from spurious RF signals and so forth. These can be from Car Park CCTV's, Wi-Fi routers, Mobile Phone Masts or as simple as cheap pound shop outdoor weather station.

This will stop the owner from starting the car as the car's security system thinks its being attacked or simply can not hear the key fob. It's also the case that these so called spurious RF signals can wake the BECM and drain your battery leaving your car in the need to be towed back to a LR dealer.

LR only admitted this back in 2004, two years after the final P38 rolled off the productions line. They tried twice and on the third time got it right.

It should cost you £145 for the part plus labour etc.

Any P38 owner should have this replaced if they haven't done so already.
 
BTW, if anyone's BECM does go on their P38, you can get it checked and repaired for half that. I've seen professional companies repair them for £400 odd. There's no need for a total new BECM unit unless its literally beyond repair and they give a 2 year warranty instead of LR's official 12 month one
 
adamforeman you are spot on ! .After phoning my man at Autoland 4x4 in Houghton Regis near Dunstable and explaining what had gone on he first of all got me in the car but it would not start cos as you say flat battery but after a jump start it was fine, he told me to put the key in the door lock turn to the left while holding down the lock button on the remote for 5 seconds then remove the key ,open door put key in ignition turn on but not start engine ,then remove key, shut door the remote buttons should now be ok as mine are ,That explaination is not in my hand book but never mind ,it took all of 10 seconds to do ,pity the AA man could not have done it!!
Will look into the upgrade you mentioned .

Cheers.
 
darklordvader said:
Will look into the upgrade you mentioned .
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Whilst you've got your cheque book out, I would highly recommend to upgrade your alternator from the official wimpy 80amp version to 120amps. This is particularly important if your P38 has the heated windscreen. But P38's have so many electric luxury gizmos, it’s prudent and wise to upgrade regardless as the electrical performance improves immensely.
 
How much money are we talking about and where would you recommend getting one from ,Main dealer or else where.

Cheers.
 
darklordvader said:
How much money are we talking about and where would you recommend getting one from ,Main dealer or else where.

Cheers.
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I bought mine from Island 4x4 and cost about £130 found here Island 4x4 - High quality aftermarket parts for your Land Rover Freelander, Discovery, Defender and Range Rover. . OK, it’s not cheap but it really does improve the P38 in respect of its electrical performance issues. The P38's original 80amp alternator is just not up to the job, it simply has too many luxury electrical components from mirrors, heated windscreen, sunroof, radio, seats, heated seats, a powerful stereo, windows…well the list is extensive. But one thing that seriously puts a strain on the battery and alternator is the heated windscreen. Put that on during the winter each day and you’ll see it struggle.
 
when this message came up on my display after removing the battery to charge it , i left it for an hour , unlocked the car with the remote , stuck the key in the ignition and hey presto .............job done .
rick.
 
adamforeman said:
Nope, thats not a BECM problem. It's an RF receiver problem once more. You have the old AFR1953 RF receiver installed.

You have the same problem I had. What you need to do is book your RR into an independent LR specialist or your local LR ripp-off dealer and ask them to install part number YWY500170. This is a NEW RF receiver which replaces your original Part Number AFR1953.

The reason being is that the old receiver that is fitted to all RR P38's was defective from day one and suffers from being bombarded from spurious RF signals and so forth. These can be from Car Park CCTV's, Wi-Fi routers, Mobile Phone Masts or as simple as cheap pound shop outdoor weather station.

This will stop the owner from starting the car as the car's security system thinks its being attacked or simply can not hear the key fob. It's also the case that these so called spurious RF signals can wake the BECM and drain your battery leaving your car in the need to be towed back to a LR dealer.

LR only admitted this back in 2004, two years after the final P38 rolled off the productions line. They tried twice and on the third time got it right.

It should cost you £145 for the part plus labour etc.

Any P38 owner should have this replaced if they haven't done so already.
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yes i know that - youve said it many times - but i disagree in this case

i am of the understanding that it the RF reciever is faulty, that car would still unlock on the fob (albeit at a shorter range) or even when fob is held next to rear quarter panel - this did not work

ive read some people disconnect their RF altoghether and then use the close unlocking method and put up with it

Although I agree that a new RF solves many problems, and should be on any p38 owners shoping list - I cannot imagine that you can correctly diagnose my vehicle problem without seeing./ testing it - unlike my local independant landrover mechanic who hooked it up to thousands of pounds worth of specific diagnostic equipment.

If you can - than you must surely be a gifted individual
 
rick071155 said:
when this message came up on my display after removing the battery to charge it , i left it for an hour , unlocked the car with the remote , stuck the key in the ignition and hey presto .............job done .
rick.
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That's a solution not the route cause. The route cause is the RF receiver. If yours is doing that you need to upgrade. Its just a matter of time before you will be locked out and totally immobilised and need of flat trucking back to a garage.
 
coz said:
yes i know that - youve said it many times - but i disagree in this case

i am of the understanding that it the RF reciever is faulty, that car would still unlock on the fob (albeit at a shorter range) or even when fob is held next to rear quarter panel - this did not work

ive read some people disconnect their RF altoghether and then use the close unlocking method and put up with it

Although I agree that a new RF solves many problems, and should be on any p38 owners shoping list - I cannot imagine that you can correctly diagnose my vehicle problem without seeing./ testing it - unlike my local independant landrover mechanic who hooked it up to thousands of pounds worth of specific diagnostic equipment.

If you can - than you must surely be a gifted individual
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With respect, you have been ripped off if the garage hooked it up and said it’s the BECM...they saw you coming! Most garages are not aware of the intricate problems associated with the P38 range Rover and some after diagnostic equipment keep saying it’s the BECM through ignorance and lack of real knowledge. When it fact after investigation the testbook comes back each time saying the BECM is fine, but they always think it must be something more critical.

The RF is hooked up to the BECM and security system and without that part being replaced first, which is the cheaper option to what you’re suggesting, you don't have a starting point.

Telling someone to replace £800 plus labours worth of BECM as a solution to a key fob problem is just mad in my mind and I'm sure others on here will agree.
 
adamforeman said:
recommend to upgrade your alternator from the official wimpy 80amp version to 120amps....
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Depending upon the age/engine in your P38 your altenator will vary. Mine's a 99MY with the thor engine running a 150 amp altenator, but I understand this can't be fitted to the gems engine????

If you are planning to change the altenator go for the largest one available for your car.
 
adamforeman said:
With respect, you have been ripped off if the garage hooked it up and said it’s the BECM...they saw you coming! Most garages are not aware of the intricate problems associated with the P38 range Rover and some after diagnostic equipment keep saying it’s the BECM through ignorance and lack of real knowledge. When it fact after investigation the testbook comes back each time saying the BECM is fine, but they always think it must be something more critical.

The RF is hooked up to the BECM and security system and without that part being replaced first, which is the cheaper option to what you’re suggesting, you don't have a starting point.

Telling someone to replace £800 plus labours worth of BECM as a solution to a key fob problem is just mad in my mind and I'm sure others on here will agree.
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i was talking about my vehicle - IF its the RF reciever it should still unlock when fob is in close proximty to rear quarter shouldnt it?

RF receiver has tested fine

Becm has been replaced - and its now fixed - if it wasnt the becm then it would still be broken

BUT you obviously know better than that without

1) seeing the car
2) testing the car
3) knowing whats been replaced previously in its history
4) knowing my mechanic -who ive known for years -and who you think "saw me coming"
5) you must have years of TRADE / INDUSTRY experience to diagnose through assumptions so quickly

Well done you
 
coz said:
i was talking about my vehicle - IF its the RF receiver it should still unlock when fob is in close proximity to rear quarter shouldn't it?
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Not necessarily, if the vehicle is in close proximity or a powerful wireless RF source is not too far away, the car's receiver will continue not to receive the signal as the signal becomes so weak that even standing by the rear quarter will not resolve the issue. Should the source continue to bombard the car, and after receiving 100 signals even though it isn’t a RR fob, it then thinks it’s being attacked and locks out everyone even the owner.

As you know each time you press your RR key fob it changes the algorithm up to a maximum of 100. After 100 changes....that’s it! You didn’t get it right thanks for playing….after that, the security system will immobilise the car and further more, it will then lose sync with the keys.

coz said:
RF receiver has tested fine
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Secondly, the RF receiver will always check out to be "FINE" because it is "FINE".

The old RF receiver AFR1953 is defective not faulty. Therefore when a garage places your P38 on a testbook the RF receiver will always come back as working with no errors reported. That's why garages without proper knowledge of the P38, continue to come up with the BECM as the culprit.

Your garage is just one of many ignorant ones out there.
 
i recently changed my alternator as it was only putting out 13.5 volts, i got it from island 4x4 but if you look for there shop on ebay its cheaper, £129.99 from them direct, there ebay shop was £95 + postage. i saved £25!!! and its the 120 Amp unit as well.

as far as the RF reciever is concerned i was under the impresion that apart from complete failure the common problem was it would pick up on spurious signals and wake the becm, hence flatening the battery overnight!
Im almost certain there is a small sensor in the ignition barrel area for the imobaliser business, i dont think it uses the rf reciever!!!
this has been proven (in this instance) by the repair that has been done and the fact it cured the problem.....:)
 
ere Adam - i thought yu did a write-up about this that is in the gen q's and answers bit.

If yu aint - it mite be a good idea - I am sure yu are sick of repeating the same guff every time;)?
 
redrange said:
i recently changed my alternator as it was only putting out 13.5 volts, i got it from island 4x4 but if you look for there shop on ebay its cheaper, £129.99 from them direct, there ebay shop was £95 + postage. i saved £25!!! and its the 120 unit as well.
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That's a damn fine price and well worth the money on any P38 fitted with anything less!


redrange said:
Im almost certain there is a small sensor in the ignition barrel area for the imobaliser business, i dont think it uses the rf reciever!!!
this has been proven by the repair that has been done and the fact it cured the problem.....
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I think what your referring to is the sensor that recognises the key and verifies same with the security system to allow only 2 keyfobs or handsets as LR like to call them, to start the car, but it requires two security checks...1) with the handset (keyfob) and then the barrel sensor for the correct key.
 
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