How not to right a rollover!

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jai_landrover

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How not to right a light roll over. I think the rolpver was very gentle but the morons "helping" did nothing but detroy the vehicle.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUraWx_i82s&feature=related"]YouTube - DISCOVERY ROLL OVER![/ame]


Where not to attach a towrope, they used an axle and not a chassis radius arm point.

How to tow at completly the wrong angles to achive goal i.e to right the vehicle without causing more damage.

Idiots.
Jai
 
If they just attached the rope to the front nearside radius arm chassis mount and left the vehicle in 1st low box and handbrake on a decent tug at 90 degrees to the disco it would have been much less damaging. Jai
 
As the driver had also failed to apply the handbrake before getting out of the vehicle it would be good practice to rathet strap the front and rear wheel that are in the air together to stop the vehicle rolling away once it's upright.

I generally use the wheels to right an overturned vehicle too. This is because with a normal car there isn't enough room to get underneath to take the straps back off. By pulling from the wheels you can acheive a central pull and still detatch the straps afterwards.
 
I've never righted a car only ever landys in one form or another. Usually equipped with certified red band rollcages so its easy. When there is no cage its highest chassis point to give some leaverage advantage. somtimes tie strops to the lowest point and take up the strain so they cannot move and give a positive pivot for the vehicle to dig in and right itself.

Had a good one laying out a comp a couple of weeks ago.

CCVv driver laying out a course found a WWII bomb hole full of water. He drove into it trying to go around the water but slipped in. Got a phone call asking for a winch. When I got there his cage was tied to a 90 to stop in rolling over into the water. Front end of vehicle missing under water. managed to hook up my winch to it and after a few mins we got him out and sorted. The land owner told us later that the water is 15 foot deep in the middle and laughed his head off. Jai
 
I'm sorry but what a bunch of complete and utter incompetent ****ing idiots.
If this is the standard of off roaders i feel ashamed to be one.
Ths is my number one problem with pay and play sites, any body who can afford to buy a 4x4 can go and drive their potentially lethal 2 tonne taboggan without ANY off road knowledge whatsoever.
Not one to spoil peoples freedom of fun but I feel this is getting more poular and one day someone will go down for manslaughter due to their actions off road.
I have seen so many of these videos and incedents in person and its not only the driving thats the problem. Basic recovery techniques surely are not that difficult to grasp! Pulling a 2 tonne disco diagonally down a hill is never going to work is it!
More to the point he should never have rolled it in the first place. Attempting something is fine, I may have done it myself but reversing down on full lock when you have failed takes the ****! ****er!
Yes this is a rant sorry but I do feel quite strongly about this subject and express my opinions on it regularly!!
And the people in the back seats! Bet they wont be going in with him again!
 
No Tig you are right to have a go. A college at work was telling me about his exploits in wales they left a motor in a river and got a farmer to tow then out after leaving the green lane. He said come up to Whaddon P&P. I will go and keep myself to myself do what I know I can do and teach my neices the correct way to drive offroad so when they get old enough and pass their test they have some idea of what to do when things go wrong. People like this should be shot. It isnt just these people. Some so called experienced people are also guilty. Be it lazyness or just not giving a ****. I saw a mate (offroading for some 12 years) he almost tipped a hylux on its side towing it at an angle (couldn't help the angle due to edge of field with a rope that was far too long making the angle much worse. This was only a week after he attended a major saftey marshalling/recovery course. Which a group of them got kicked off for Fecking about off the course and then re-instated as the show must go on and there was a lack of marshalls. It makes me mad!!! Jai
 
I'm with ya!
Unfortunately theres feck all us sensible folk can do about it. These are just the sort of people who think they know it all and wont listen to anyone, cosequently ****in everything up and risking peoples lives in the process!
 
This is why i dont visit P&P sites often, full of *unts.

bolshy ****s who love ****ing up their rovers, cant drive, dont have the basic grasps of physics, have no mechanical sympathy and that **** on 2 wheels zipping about wants to get knocked off. As if driving a 110 van covered in mud isnt hard enough to see out of!

Im just glad their not doing this on our lanes. they can go pay £25 and **** themselves up.

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I dunno. I think P&P sites have their place, after all there's precious few lanes, so the feckwits can go to the P&P's.

Mind, there's been only a couple I've been to where I felt happy and safe. KORC, though they've priced themselves out at £45 the day, and a couple of Lincs LR club days .. well-marked routes, one-way, good marshalls, and well setup, with a policed speeed-limit.

Peaks and Dukeries did one last year (I think) that was good, and we might be doing a few RTV's with them this year, if we get time/chance.
 
One thing I've learnt early on in life is that everyones minds work in different ways and this effects their outlook on everything and how they do and they deal with stuff.

Mechanically minded, mechanically sympathetic people drive and behave one way where as somone else that may have different strengths and weaknesses act completly differently.

Unsympathetic unaware or people that just don't give a **** are usually people that end up changing diffs, shafts and other knackared components at P&P days (usually with a V8 running on 3 and a half cylinders before it gets there as the person thinks it sounds great cos he brought it off a mate for £300 shed). But its not so good when they do things like the above vid. I'm no health and saftey freak I understand that somtimes you just have to get the job done but it should always be done in a methodical fashion and as safe as realistically possible. Jai
 
I dunno. I think P&P sites have their place, after all there's precious few lanes, so the feckwits can go to the P&P's.
This is very true thats why you dont see me at them, i like the better secnery of good lanes and i respect them as i never leave them. when i see stuff off to the side of a lane that people have been using it really ****es me off. At least they are contained not roaming around giving us green laners an even worse name!

Mind, there's been only a couple I've been to where I felt happy and safe. KORC, though they've priced themselves out at £45 the day, and a couple of Lincs LR club days .. well-marked routes, one-way, good marshalls, and well setup, with a policed speeed-limit.
That is a good idea, like a trial but do what you want when you want. Could catch on if people get more safety concious but like i said lots just want to do it their own way regardless.
 
I wouldn;t mind betting somone on the video visits Landyzone either, but I guess they will be very quiet if they were there. Jai
 
Me and Stretchie had to get rescued, along with most of our club in some really bad mud before Christmas and although we were glad of the help.....the guys that towed us were not sticking to the actual byway and were wrecking the farmers tracks and edge of the field. No idea why when the byway itself was so challenging anyway.

As for the guys recovering that rolled disco.....I cannot believe they made so many stupid decisions. The right angle, tow point and direction to start with and they could probably have just righted it in seconds!
 
the bit that i dont understand was when the fairly well preped 90 was gonna give towing uphill a go surely the lack of traction on the flat was a giveaway
 
this is the reason i normally do my pay n play at places like beeston and runhall you tend to get less chav idiots trying to destroy their motors and the site also most of the people know what they are doing when it comes to a recovery although we are yet to have a roll over we came close on a failed hill climb in a bobtail but even if it had gone over there would have been enough experience on hand to mean it wouldn't get ****ed up like that one
 
couldnt have much more gone wrong, from brakeing on the hill to a complete lack of physics understanding.Glad it aint my motor, and whilst mine is a shed i wouldnt tred it like that or let people stand next to it whilst it was being pulled!
 
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