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been reading up about the hiclone gadget that sits inside the air intake..has anyone used theese and do they work or are they just a gimmick that does feck all,any input b4 i go spending me hard earned wonga would be good ta
 
not experience but not summit you dont.I do know summit you do tho. Restriting the flow of air to the air intake=bad. The idea is that the air is "spinning" as it enters the engine.Doesnt happen becuase of a vent.It would requir a fan of sorts.Much like a turbo or supercharger.They both work very well.
 
Someone on Mudclub or LRUK came on pretending to be an interested party and was singing their praises & was coerced into putting it on a dyno. and they showed virtually no improvement at all. I think they were worst at low speeds and slightly better at high revs but nothing that would be noticable.
 
spin the air... after its been mashed by a turbo, sliced by an intercooler, and pulled through a less-than-smooth manifold, im sure a wee plastic bladed thing it going to do lots, yeah?

especially when you think that your engine isn't crossflow either, so the air spins quite well anyway, and also that on full chat itll be using (optimally) hundreds of litres of air PER SECOND.

Yeah, itll work really well.
 
Yup I have tested one. In the interests of actual data and not the usual "it's gonna be snake oil" presumtions.
It was a very cheap one that I have to bend to shape myself thus not £50 but looks like the Hiclone originals.
After fitting and testing for the last 1000 miles I can conclude it has done neither anything good nor bad to the MPG, cold running, starting, hot running, idling, high speed running, smoothness or anything else engine related. I haven't actually noticed it.

In theory it should work as organising the airflow into a swirling vortex should allow more volume of air for a given area to get through. But as there is also a turbo downstream of it compressing a volume of air it might be a neglegable change.

But I haven't put a second Hiclone in pre-turbo as the Hiclone website states should be done for the Defender 200Tdi engine. This will be the next stage of testing if I can work out where the hell to place it for "optimum value" (the bin isn't one of the options :D )
 
Yup I have tested one. hness or anything else engine related. I haven't actually noticed it.

In theory it should work as organising the airflow into a swirling vortex should allow more volume of air for a given area to get through. But as there is also a turbo downstream of it compressing a volume of air it might be a neglegable change.

I'm afraid the theory you assume MUST be incorrect. Logic says so, and the proof is that the people who flog these things have never submitted to independent testing. I can remember similar things being marketed way back in the 1960s, and my father warned me off them. He said he had been offered something just the same for his first car, a Bullnose Morris Cowley in 1927!

The reason for this being a snake oil product is simple enough. Think it through logically. To get the AIR into the engine, the air must MOVE. It must move from the outside all the way through tubes, filters, pipes, intercoolers, bends, manifolds, and past valves into the cylinders, which is the only place the air does any good.

Fact - more air is good. Hence the turbo to ram double the air in, and free-flow filters. Get the idea .... FREE FLOW .... INWARDS .... good.

Fact - if the air MOVES FASTER then more air will reach the cylinders in any given time.

Fact - EVERY obstruction to airflow MUST slow down the VELOCITY of the air-stream going inwards.

FACT - after every obstruction no matter how slight, air pressure and velocity go DOWN. That's not a good plan. We want the incoming air velocity and pressure to stay UP so that the greatest possible MASS of air reaches our working cylinders.

FACT - the cyclone thing is a fixed series of radial vanes partially obstructing the incoming air flow, and inducing turbulence.

FACT - diesels induce their own "swirl" IN the cylinders as the air passes the inlet valve(s) Any turbulence before there MUST be bad for the reasons stated above.

All things considered ..... bad idea unless you happen to be the guy taking the money from the poor deluded souls you told those lies to.

However, in some really badly designed gasoline engines with ancient carburettors it MIGHT be the case that inducing swirling just below the carburettor could improve the atomisation and distribution of the petrol in the air stream, and that might make such an engine work a tad smoother. It might on the other hand make the air flow and fuel distribution a whole lot WORSE. But, as someone pointed out, it isn't a patented idea (they have to show it works to patent it) and as it would cost car makers about 20 pence a car to fit them, they certainly would if they did any good.

But they don't, so buy and fit an EGR plate instead. That does work, for a fiver.

CharlesY
 
I'm afraid the theory you assume MUST be incorrect. Logic says so,

Nope the theory is sound.... if this was a perfect linear flow of fluids and gases. But the induction side of a turbo diesel is anything but linear. Every bend in the inflow (out of the intercooler etc) causes buffet and something that can tidy the airflow so that more air can flow in a given area of pipework is good.

Probably another reason manufacturers won't develop it further is that it introduces metalwork that can potentially break off straight into the valves and cylinders causing damage. This is the reason I will be removing them from my 200Tdi as soon I am happy with my testing. The metal work is aluminium and has a nasty habit of fracturing due to fatigue.
 
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