Head Gasket Blown 2 times in the last month

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Just read through all of this. If you have a receipt for the work then you need to tell the garage who did the work it’s their fault. You put it in their garage to have the fault fixed, which included the original cause. That was the water pipe from what I understand (split one). After vehicle was returned it over heated again due to top hose coming off and caused failure again. This was either due to the hose coming off as they didn’t fit it correctly with the required clip, or the original fault not being fixed proper the first time. (I once had no coolant in a transit – temp gauge was ok as it was measuring air temp in the pipe). They will probably say no to doing work for free. There’s a chance if they do the work it won’t be correct as they sound like they int too good with cars, not matter what they may say. He may have tested it, but a reasonable person would expect far more than 500 miles after a good repair. They may have done the work on the cheap, but you as a customer got a discount for work completed to a good standard. I would argue the work they have done and failure since would suggest their work int up to scratch.

Regardless of what you do, it’s always good to put a report into trading standards as they may have a number of complaints about them, and add yours to their investigation. This happened to me earlier this year and a conviction in court from a number of unhappy customers – not to do with cars.

As far as proving the failure goes… one garages word against another isn’t enough for evidence. You would need to pay for an inspection for evidence for it to go to court. Inspector would have knowledge of faults and put together a reasonable report which I would think would back up your story. They won’t take it apart, but you could show them the gunk, split pipe, talk through events of what happened etc. If the engine is already in bits then the report may not have the strength it would have had if it were not taken apart, as foul play may be suggested by the garage. If you choose not to go down the route of the garage fixing it (or the garages refuses) then you could request a refund on the work done, or agree a partial refund which would give you some £ to help fix the problem. I would also go to the mot place and ask them what happened with your car. They may give info which the garage hasn’t passed on. Make sure the garage knows you’ve spoken to trading standards and file a report with TS. At least it will be there if they choose to investigate due to number of complaints.
 
That will probably mean a 3 day job for me then lol. I'm not just slow in the head lol what should I do about the bumps in the engine block?
 
Just read through all of this. If you have a receipt for the work then you need to tell the garage who did the work it’s their fault. You put it in their garage to have the fault fixed, which included the original cause. That was the water pipe from what I understand (split one). After vehicle was returned it over heated again due to top hose coming off and caused failure again. This was either due to the hose coming off as they didn’t fit it correctly with the required clip, or the original fault not being fixed proper the first time. (I once had no coolant in a transit – temp gauge was ok as it was measuring air temp in the pipe). They will probably say no to doing work for free. There’s a chance if they do the work it won’t be correct as they sound like they int too good with cars, not matter what they may say. He may have tested it, but a reasonable person would expect far more than 500 miles after a good repair. They may have done the work on the cheap, but you as a customer got a discount for work completed to a good standard. I would argue the work they have done and failure since would suggest their work int up to scratch.

Regardless of what you do, it’s always good to put a report into trading standards as they may have a number of complaints about them, and add yours to their investigation. This happened to me earlier this year and a conviction in court from a number of unhappy customers – not to do with cars.

As far as proving the failure goes… one garages word against another isn’t enough for evidence. You would need to pay for an inspection for evidence for it to go to court. Inspector would have knowledge of faults and put together a reasonable report which I would think would back up your story. They won’t take it apart, but you could show them the gunk, split pipe, talk through events of what happened etc. If the engine is already in bits then the report may not have the strength it would have had if it were not taken apart, as foul play may be suggested by the garage. If you choose not to go down the route of the garage fixing it (or the garages refuses) then you could request a refund on the work done, or agree a partial refund which would give you some £ to help fix the problem. I would also go to the mot place and ask them what happened with your car. They may give info which the garage hasn’t passed on. Make sure the garage knows you’ve spoken to trading standards and file a report with TS. At least it will be there if they choose to investigate due to number of complaints.
Top bit on this isn't quite right. I know the first replacement gasket failed before the car was returned to me and that time it ****ed water out of the head. After they replaced that gasket they then found a tiny oil leak from the exact same place the water came from. They gave the car back to me then 550 miles later the rad hose popped off as it wasn't secured by the garage but the clip was further down the pipe, I then attached the pipe properly after limping it 5miles to the nearest town. Then took it back to garage next day to be checked as it starting losing water after the pipe was re attached. No leak could be found. Then I went back again and said not happy I want it fixed and purely by chance I spotted water on my dizzy cap. So the mechanic put his hand on the pipe under and then the water ****ed out. Got told he would sort it for £20. Then get the car back saying fixed with temporary pipes made up from a Mondeo, I noticed water was still leaking but only a bit but no external leaks. So first thing the next morning I checked cap and stick, both milky, coolant dropped a bit. Went back and got told at first hg was checked when they had it day before and passed. But this time when I was there it failed the liquid test. Then got told not down to them and they would do me a favour and re repair the car at mates rates. £200 plus parts! I got an apology at the start of the problems re the pipe popping off. Sorry it all sounds like a caveman talking but writing this on my mobile lol
 
The guy has a mondeo breakers? And he can do a good job of a k series head gasket for £450? OMG. Bettin he's not qualified! Knows nothin about freelanders and leaves a trail of disaster!
 
It's their fault make them fix it so its right or replace block, don't let them bridge it back

I'm guessing it's a 1.8? It's possible to face the block which is'nt a skim as it only takes off any high bits, however the engine will need to come out and be stripped to just the upper block to do it!! If the high points are small bumps then it's possible with care to flat them with an oil stone.
If the block needs facing then me I'd find an engine in a rover 45 that works and fit that instead.
 
I'm guessing it's a 1.8? It's possible to face the block which is'nt a skim as it only takes off any high bits, however the engine will need to come out and be stripped to just the upper block to do it!! If the high points are small bumps then it's possible with care to flat them with an oil stone.
If the block needs facing then me I'd find an engine in a rover 45 that works and fit that instead.

Probably be cheaper than fixing the original and hoping its ok
 
This place is mostly a 1 man band and is mainly a Mondeo breakers / repairers but the guy said about how many of these K-Series HG's he had done and that he could do it all in for £450, but the bill grew as it became more apparent that my friend I bought it from got ripped off when she bought it, as the coolant pipes were half blocked with SOLID stuff in them and then I had to pay £60 to get the pipes all cleaned out, then spark plugs were added to the bill and the a distributor and rota arm, etc...

Is this thread still running?

Yu got stitched up.
Yu got 3 choices....
Take it somewhere else and pay all over again.
Scrap it.
Contact trading standards and fight. Screw the bastard.
 
I'm guessing it's a 1.8? It's possible to face the block which is'nt a skim as it only takes off any high bits, however the engine will need to come out and be stripped to just the upper block to do it!! If the high points are small bumps then it's possible with care to flat them with an oil stone.
If the block needs facing then me I'd find an engine in a rover 45 that works and fit that instead.

How do you skim a K series block?
All the liners are meant to sit proud of the block! Are they the "lumps" they speak of?
Buy the time yu have removed the block, stripped out the liners, skimmed the block, machined the liners, refitted it all - by a bunch of cowboys......

****! Just send me 2 grand by PayPal. At least some good use might come of it :).
 
The guy has a mondeo breakers? And he can do a good job of a k series head gasket for £450? OMG. Bettin he's not qualified! Knows nothin about freelanders and leaves a trail of disaster!

I'm stunned at the amount garages charge to do a HGF. It's a £500 repair tops!!
 
I'm stunned at the amount garages charge to do a HGF. It's a £500 repair tops!!

Inc. cam belt kit. Water pump. Mls head set. New bolts. Skim. Coolant. Flush. New hoses. Thermostat. Oil. Filter. Engine flush. more oil Clean out rad. Plus 5 or 6 hours labour?

Or are you talking headset oil and filter and coolant?
 
I've been hovering over this fred watching with interest as this is without a doubt the worst case of a grapefruit turning into a lemon that I have ever seen here.

MHM summed up your options very well. From what it sounds like you are in a very delicate position that requires reliable transport day to day. Your FL sounds like it needs a complete cooling system overhaul, as I recently did to mine with Diesel Do's help. You have had K seal and mayo in the pipes which weakens them, so you would need to replace the whole lot and the metal coolant rail. What's bitterly ironic is that they charged you £60 to get the pipes cleaned and you could have almost had all new rubber for that. This would be on top of all the work DD mentioned. Cooling system failure is the main cause for HGF in these cars now, and really I would reccomend a complete overhaul if the car is over 7 years old. Especially if it has been abused!

Where are you mate? Maybe we know a good garage near you.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune, I really hope you can get it sorted.

Will.
 
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Yu didn't overhaul yo cooling system, yu rebuilt it! ;).

Still going strong?

Yeh fair point it was a total rebuild wasn't it! Well with the EWP it's more of a re-design!

Going stronger than when it rolled out of Solihull mate. I still needs to install the EBP to speed up the heater matrix but functionally the system is perfect.
 
Is this thread still running?

Yu got stitched up.
Yu got 3 choices....
Take it somewhere else and pay all over again.
Scrap it.
Contact trading standards and fight. Screw the bastard.


:D I knew you Had a limit to being tactful, looks like a post I would write:p
 
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