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Has anyone chipped or remapped the 4.4 V8?

Was wondering what power/fuel gains people have gotten from doing it, not really fussed about the power side of things.

Also what sort of price would it cost to get an LPG conversion and does this have any negative effect on the engine?

Cheers guys
 
for better MPG your better off getting a small car or a hybrid ! lol

i fitted a tuning chip to my TD6 diesel one, not for better economy, just a better drive.

infact the car is far better to drive with one fitted, engine picks up quicker, changes gear earlier instead of hanging in gears for too long and this also gains me an extra 5MPG sometimes.

once turned off, it makes the car feel rubbish ! lol

not sure what chips / remaps are available for the petrols but i prefer getting a plug in chip as you can take it off whenever you like and you can control how much power you decide you want and change the setting accordingly

regarding LPG conversions, many get theirs converted on here and the engine seems fine with it. not sure on price but i dont think its too expensive
 
Mine on LPG is sweet as a Pims on a warm summers eve...!!!

I have a BRC system fitted (already fitted when I bought the car) the installation registration cert indicates it was fitted in mid 2011, tordial 90L tank the nspare wheel well, floor box cut to re-house the EAS compressor, Multi-point system that on change over ripples the LPG injectors to match the petrol injectors, the change is seamless.

I get around 225-245 miles from 72.8 litres (max fill on a tank is 80% for safety) which is about 14.5-15mpg.

Costs me around £51 to fill up and is returning at approx 22p per mile.

I would estimate a good installation including the registration letter to the LPG associations to be around the £1700-2000 mark.

I have a Flash Lube system fitted to prevent damage to the valves (LPG is a dry gas - the flash lube system keeps the valves oiled and protected to prevent seat regression)

LPG burns cleaner than petrol so doesn't ****e up the engine as much, but it is 15-20% less efficent than petrol so although it is cheaper in cost, there is a reduction in efficency, the OBC indicates I do between 19.8 and 21 MPG, but on brim to brim calcs it is actually returning 14.5-15mpg.....

Having LPG is the only way I could justify another V8...and I have to say shes great on it....
 
I fitted my LPG system to my P38 4.6 myself.

The kit came from Tinley Tech and cost about £1200 and three days to fit. It's an easy job provided you're methodical, like tea, and have a good selection of tools. I did a write up of it for the site but they haven't allowed it up...yet.

Flashlube isn't necessary on the Rover V8 because it already has hardened valve seats, but it doesn't hurt either.

I got 250 miles from 67 litres on a run down to Cornwall last week, and I'm happy with that.

It's also the only way I could justify another V8......and I have to say she's great on it.
 
Has anyone chipped or remapped the 4.4 V8?

Was wondering what power/fuel gains people have gotten from doing it, not really fussed about the power side of things.

Also what sort of price would it cost to get an LPG conversion and does this have any negative effect on the engine?

Cheers guys

I looked into chipping/tuning when I first got mine. As alluded to by a previous poster, there is little you can do for a naturally aspirated engine. Most of the tuning for diesel vehicles simply increases the boost pressure of the turbos, but obviously this can't be done on a NA car. There is some slight fuel remapping that can be done, but it'll make fairly minimal difference, especially for how much it'll cost. Most 'proper' tuning of Na engines includes things like porting and polishing, boring out etc - fairly extreme stuff!!

For easier gains in power on a NA engine look at more free flowing air filters and exhaust kits. My SS exhaust is supposed to give an extra 17bhp (although not dyno'd to confirm this), it certainly increases the throttle response. I've also got K&N air filters, although I wasn't able to notice any difference after fitting this. These things seem to have made no difference in terms of fuel economy that I can perceive.

For a decent LPG kit you're probably looking at the best part of £2k, but there are loads of threads on here about that so I won't go into detail in this reply.
 
I bet you struggle to find a half decent petrol remap...remapping as per the previous posts should really be left for the diesels.

Speak to RPI engineering if you really want to pull the power out. They did me a 4.6 with merlin heads, uprated cam and throttle body.

The difference in power against my dads standard 4.6 is incredible. Ruffle a few diehard feathers but the v8 petrols are all about the mechanics not the electrics (apart from spark leads!). To tune a V8 takes mechanical skill not a laptop - something i lack unfortunately.

LPGs fine but then ask yourself why didn't you buy a diesel in the first place if you're now hunting for economy? The added expense of installing and the loss of space for the tank, the hunting for a garage that sells it and all the problems you encounter as the miles rack up...with of course greatest of respect to the guys that run it and I am not by any means an expert..

Sadly I think as prices rise and diesel technology develops there will be fewer and fewer petrols on the market. Diesels are now nearly as quick as petrols with all the quad turbos being fitted and offer great economy to the average driver and the power where its really needed....pulling off a roundabout or idling along in traffic on the M25! hence my daily commuter a trusty 2.5 dse...
 
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Thanks for your replies guys. Guess I have some thinking to do. I naively bought it being told I would get about 20 mpg but in reality I am getting 13. And I by no means drive it hard! Is there anything else that I can do that will increase the mpg if only slightly? Or do I just have to swallow it?

Have to say now I have been driving this car I can't see myself going to any other car! They are amazing!!!
 
Thanks for your replies guys. Guess I have some thinking to do. I naively bought it being told I would get about 20 mpg but in reality I am getting 13. And I by no means drive it hard! Is there anything else that I can do that will increase the mpg if only slightly? Or do I just have to swallow it?

Have to say now I have been driving this car I can't see myself going to any other car! They are amazing!!!



who told you that you would get 20MPG ??? LOL :eek:

some days i dont get that on my TD6 range rover ?

my mates highest MPG on his 4.4 V8 was around 17MPG i think

best swallow the costs and enjoy it while you can afford it !

or get a tdv8 as there pretty good on juice :p
 
I looked into chipping/tuning when I first got mine. As alluded to by a previous poster, there is little you can do for a naturally aspirated engine. Most of the tuning for diesel vehicles simply increases the boost pressure of the turbos, but obviously this can't be done on a NA car. There is some slight fuel remapping that can be done, but it'll make fairly minimal difference, especially for how much it'll cost. Most 'proper' tuning of Na engines includes things like porting and polishing, boring out etc - fairly extreme stuff!!

For easier gains in power on a NA engine look at more free flowing air filters and exhaust kits. My SS exhaust is supposed to give an extra 17bhp (although not dyno'd to confirm this), it certainly increases the throttle response. I've also got K&N air filters, although I wasn't able to notice any difference after fitting this. These things seem to have made no difference in terms of fuel economy that I can perceive.

For a decent LPG kit you're probably looking at the best part of £2k, but there are loads of threads on here about that so I won't go into detail in this reply.

No, unless the turbo is electronically controlled that cannot be done. The chips increase the fueling to give more power, it is the only way it can be done.
 
On the Transit diesel, power output is simply limited by limiting the fueling in the ECU, a re-map just alters the fueling map to allow more of the juice to be injected, mostly towards the top end of the throttle opening. A bit like having an adjustable throttle stop. So by a simple re-map the same engine can be marketed with between 80 and 120 BHP.
Petrols it's all cams, compression ratios and gas flowing, hard work.
 
Thanks for your replies guys. Guess I have some thinking to do. I naively bought it being told I would get about 20 mpg but in reality I am getting 13. And I by no means drive it hard! Is there anything else that I can do that will increase the mpg if only slightly? Or do I just have to swallow it?

Have to say now I have been driving this car I can't see myself going to any other car! They are amazing!!!

13? Wowzer, that's bad! I get 20 out of mine and upto 24 on a long run. Maybe yours just need a good service? Have you checked your tyre pressure recently? You should be getting much more than 13 unless you are doing loads of short journies when the engine is cold or live somewhere extremely hilly.
 
13? Wowzer, that's bad! I get 20 out of mine and upto 24 on a long run. Maybe yours just need a good service? Have you checked your tyre pressure recently? You should be getting much more than 13 unless you are doing loads of short journies when the engine is cold or live somewhere extremely hilly.


Indeed I get over 20mpg regularly out of my old Rover V8 powered P38 on a run, I'd expect the relatively modern beemer motor to be more fuel efficient.

Of course if you think driving on the motorway equals doing 90 then you'll never see decent fuel economy!
 
does sound like you need a service. i get between 18 and 24 from my one. and thats not on lpg just good old petrol. and i carry a fair amount in the boot at all times. so would think 20 is a reasonable expectation.
 
Thanks for the reply guys, it has a full service history and was only serviced about 3k ago. Do you think I should service it myself so I know it's actually been done?

If so what do I need to change/check
 
get those spark plugs changed as a priority. engine oil and filter, and air filter. fuel filter might be worth changing. you should see a difference then
 
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