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Peter Seddon

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Hi all

Did anyone else hear the item on R2 news this am about large 4x4s having to
have health and environment wornings stuck all over them. Which tree hugging
numpty though that one up.!!!

Peter.


 
> >Did anyone else hear the item on R2 news this am about large 4x4s having
to
> >have health and environment wornings stuck all over them. Which tree

hugging
> >numpty though that one up.!!!
> >>


Good idea, how about on the little muppets who really p..s people off in the
£50 rust buckets ( no ..... not the S II ) :))


Come to think of it perhaps we could label government ministers bits, so
that they can be seen sticking em into the wrong places and then p....g
everyone off with the endless reportage.


 

"Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> >Did anyone else hear the item on R2 news this am about large 4x4s having

> to
>> >have health and environment wornings stuck all over them. Which tree

> hugging
>> >numpty though that one up.!!!
>> >>

>
> Good idea, how about on the little muppets who really p..s people off in
> the
> £50 rust buckets ( no ..... not the S II ) :))
>
>
> Come to think of it perhaps we could label government ministers bits, so
> that they can be seen sticking em into the wrong places and then p....g
> everyone off with the endless reportage.
>
>

If they want to put signs on cars that are bad for the environment then how
about all the rolls royce cars and big mercs and oh Jags, Mr Prescot wont
like that.

Shurely this is transmissoin discrimination ;-)

Peter.


 
Biggest load of tosh I have ever heard.

I follow the James Whale school of thought - Everyone should have a 4X4 as
they are the safest cars on the road.

Stu

"David @ Kent Off Road Club" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
>
> This one http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/news_4x4HealthWarning.aspx
>
> I heard it too - what an ill informed Muppet
>
> David
>
>
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:47:49 -0000, "Peter Seddon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Hi all
>>
>>Did anyone else hear the item on R2 news this am about large 4x4s having
>>to
>>have health and environment wornings stuck all over them. Which tree
>>hugging
>>numpty though that one up.!!!
>>
>>Peter.
>>

>




 
I find now I only tolerate Jeremy Vine whilst waiting for the light
afternoon entertainment of the Steve Wright show.

Pass the muppetry sertifcut please...:)

Muddy


"Peter Seddon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all
>
> Did anyone else hear the item on R2 news this am about large 4x4s having
> to have health and environment wornings stuck all over them. Which tree
> hugging numpty though that one up.!!!
>
> Peter.
>



 
On or around Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:39:50 +0000 (UTC), "Alan Mudd"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I find now I only tolerate Jeremy Vine whilst waiting for the light
>afternoon entertainment of the Steve Wright show.


I find Steve Wright's show to be irritating in the extreme. mind, I don't
listen to Vine, either...

 

> for the land rover driver
> "Warning, may contain nuts"
>
> heheheheheh
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
> --
>



Must be a new one. most of mine have rusted or dropped off, ..... the car
that is !!


 


Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Fri, 26 Nov 2004 22:39:50 +0000 (UTC), "Alan Mudd"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>I find now I only tolerate Jeremy Vine whilst waiting for the light
>>afternoon entertainment of the Steve Wright show.

>
>
> I find Steve Wright's show to be irritating in the extreme. mind, I don't
> listen to Vine, either...
>

Hello all fellow smelly's.
Well if all there arguments are true. Then
there is awful lot of MOT tester failing. I understand we have to follow
the CO2 H NO emissions government guidelines.
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Manchester, England.

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Just read this: http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/news_4x4HealthWarning.aspx
I assume its a joke? and this is even funnier:
http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/uploads/xst005yeepmhmb45yk3cej5525112004193823.jpg

"Peter Seddon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all
>
> Did anyone else hear the item on R2 news this am about large 4x4s having
> to have health and environment wornings stuck all over them. Which tree
> hugging numpty though that one up.!!!
>
> Peter.
>



 
Richard wrote:

> Just read this: http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/news_4x4HealthWarning.aspx
> I assume its a joke? and this is even funnier:
>

http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/uploads/xst005yeepmhmb45yk3cej5525112004193823.jpg


Oh dear.

Time to dig out the old arguments.

Let's see how this goes.

1) The majority of pollution caused by a car over its lifetime is caused
during its manufacture process. Thus the more often you require to replace
a car the higher the pollution caused by your car driving will be
*regardless* of how "envirofriendly" your newer cars are.

2) Existing cars have already caused their pollution. Putting them off the
road and causing more, newer cars to be made will simply increase the
overall pollution caused by cars massively due to the manufacturing
process.

3) Modern "envirofriendly" cars are quite conceivably less envirofriendly
than the older designs. Old designs simply required large amounts of steel
and aluminimum with trivial amounts of plastics for such things as the
flexi-pipes. Newer cars use more and more exotic materials which in turn
are often derived from non-renewable resources such as oil for the
plastics.

4) Disposing of an old car in theory simply required the splitting of all
panels and major structural components and then re-smelting them. There was
very little carcinogenic material to consider. Disposing of a new
"envirofriendly" car will, of necessity, require the disposal of such items
as circuit boards, epoxies and various exotic materials, all of which will,
if handled the wrong way, release vast amounts of toxins (carcinogens, HFl
etc) into the environment.

5) Modern "envirofriendly" cars are constructed in such a manner that it is
almost impossible for a user to service them. Parts are becoming
unavailable in increasingly short timescales and the "scrapyard" industry
is all but useless for modern cars. A modern car probably has a realistic
maximum lifespan of 12-15 years against a well built older car (such as a
Land Rover) which can have a realistic lifespan of over 50 years. This
equates to at least four times as many cars being constructed in the same
timescale and thus at least four times as much pollution.

6) Older designs can be made to comply with environmental regulations as is
proven by all the LPG powered Range Rovers out there which actually come in
below the modern emissions regs. There is a strong argument for using
older, simpler designs which have very limited long term environmental
impact in terms of materials creation and recovery compared to the modern
ones and simply modifying them in understood ways. Combine modern
refinements in materials handling with classical designs and the overall
environmental impact of the construction of a new vehicle should be
reduced.

7) The argument that the drivers of a compact car will come off worst in a
collision with a Ford Explorer should come as no shock to anyone. It's
basic physics. The driver of a Ford Explorer will come off second best in a
collision with a Scammel Explorer. Do you see anybody asking for cigarette
warnings on trucks which are arguably the most dangerous vehicles on the
roads?


Any comments on the above?

Also, does anybody know why trucks are governed to 56mph yet coaches which
are the same size as trucks and just as dangerous seem to be completely
unlimited?

P.
--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?
 

"Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Richard wrote:
>
>> Just read this:
>> http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/news_4x4HealthWarning.aspx
>> I assume its a joke? and this is even funnier:
>>

> http://www.neweconomics.org/gen/uploads/xst005yeepmhmb45yk3cej5525112004193823.jpg
>
>
> Oh dear.
>
> Time to dig out the old arguments.
>
> Let's see how this goes.
>
> 1) The majority of pollution caused by a car over its lifetime is caused
> during its manufacture process. Thus the more often you require to replace
> a car the higher the pollution caused by your car driving will be
> *regardless* of how "envirofriendly" your newer cars are.
>
> 2) Existing cars have already caused their pollution. Putting them off the
> road and causing more, newer cars to be made will simply increase the
> overall pollution caused by cars massively due to the manufacturing
> process.
>
> 3) Modern "envirofriendly" cars are quite conceivably less envirofriendly
> than the older designs. Old designs simply required large amounts of steel
> and aluminimum with trivial amounts of plastics for such things as the
> flexi-pipes. Newer cars use more and more exotic materials which in turn
> are often derived from non-renewable resources such as oil for the
> plastics.
>
> 4) Disposing of an old car in theory simply required the splitting of all
> panels and major structural components and then re-smelting them. There
> was
> very little carcinogenic material to consider. Disposing of a new
> "envirofriendly" car will, of necessity, require the disposal of such
> items
> as circuit boards, epoxies and various exotic materials, all of which
> will,
> if handled the wrong way, release vast amounts of toxins (carcinogens, HFl
> etc) into the environment.
>
> 5) Modern "envirofriendly" cars are constructed in such a manner that it
> is
> almost impossible for a user to service them. Parts are becoming
> unavailable in increasingly short timescales and the "scrapyard" industry
> is all but useless for modern cars. A modern car probably has a realistic
> maximum lifespan of 12-15 years against a well built older car (such as a
> Land Rover) which can have a realistic lifespan of over 50 years. This
> equates to at least four times as many cars being constructed in the same
> timescale and thus at least four times as much pollution.
>
> 6) Older designs can be made to comply with environmental regulations as
> is
> proven by all the LPG powered Range Rovers out there which actually come
> in
> below the modern emissions regs. There is a strong argument for using
> older, simpler designs which have very limited long term environmental
> impact in terms of materials creation and recovery compared to the modern
> ones and simply modifying them in understood ways. Combine modern
> refinements in materials handling with classical designs and the overall
> environmental impact of the construction of a new vehicle should be
> reduced.
>
> 7) The argument that the drivers of a compact car will come off worst in a
> collision with a Ford Explorer should come as no shock to anyone. It's
> basic physics. The driver of a Ford Explorer will come off second best in
> a
> collision with a Scammel Explorer. Do you see anybody asking for cigarette
> warnings on trucks which are arguably the most dangerous vehicles on the
> roads?
>
>
> Any comments on the above?
>
> Also, does anybody know why trucks are governed to 56mph yet coaches which
> are the same size as trucks and just as dangerous seem to be completely
> unlimited?
>
> P.
> --
> If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
> Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?


I know I joked about it in an earlier post but this is nothing but
discrimination against a minority, marking them out against the rest of the
large vehicles on the road. I'm sure that if a child was hit by a Rolls or
Merc it would do just as much damage as an SUV. They are also just as bad
for the environment, using about the same amount if not more fuel.

Peter.


 
It's remarkably like politics...

>
>1) The majority of pollution caused by a car over its lifetime is caused
>during its manufacture process. Thus the more often you require to replace
>a car the higher the pollution caused by your car driving will be
>*regardless* of how "envirofriendly" your newer cars are.
>


Whereas governments seem to produce the greatest amount of excrement
towards the end of their term. The more frequently we elect our
governments, the more crap they will emit. This is regardless of how
shiny the new government's teeth are.

>2) Existing cars have already caused their pollution. Putting them off the
>road and causing more, newer cars to be made will simply increase the
>overall pollution caused by cars massively due to the manufacturing
>process.


Putting existing governments out of office simply causes an election.
This causes more manifesto-friendly crap to be produced.

>
>3) Modern "envirofriendly" cars are quite conceivably less envirofriendly
>than the older designs. Old designs simply required large amounts of steel
>and aluminimum with trivial amounts of plastics for such things as the
>flexi-pipes. Newer cars use more and more exotic materials which in turn
>are often derived from non-renewable resources such as oil for the
>plastics.
>


Older Prime Ministers simply consumed large amounts of brandy and
cigars, which are renewable sources. Modern 'electorate friendly'
governments use exotic fake tan, tooth whitener and hair-care
products. These are derived from highly dangerous chemicals from
non-renewable sources.

>4) Disposing of an old car in theory simply required the splitting of all
>panels and major structural components and then re-smelting them. There was
>very little carcinogenic material to consider. Disposing of a new
>"envirofriendly" car will, of necessity, require the disposal of such items
>as circuit boards, epoxies and various exotic materials, all of which will,
>if handled the wrong way, release vast amounts of toxins (carcinogens, HFl
>etc) into the environment.
>


That's OK. We export those so that those nice Indian people in the
slums can have rewarding, if brief, careers in the recycling industry,
breathing in carcinogens and filling their rivers with effluent.

<snip>

>Also, does anybody know why trucks are governed to 56mph yet coaches which
>are the same size as trucks and just as dangerous seem to be completely
>unlimited?


Truck drivers carry expensive and much needed consumer white goods to
our local stores. Coaches mostly carry pensioners and students, who
are a pesky drain on the national purse.



--

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On or around Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:47:03 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Any comments on the above?


all true and doubtless correct FSVO correct, but naturally, being
poiticians, they're not about to let the truth get in the way of a good
story... oh, sorry, that's journalists.

get in the way of their election prospects, then.
 
Tim Hobbs wrote:

> It's remarkably like politics...
>

[SNIP]

Had a bad day Tim, or just found the energy to take your cynicsm for a walk.

Nice set of parallels though.

P.

--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:47:03 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Any comments on the above?

>
> all true and doubtless correct FSVO correct, but naturally, being
> poiticians, they're not about to let the truth get in the way of a good
> story... oh, sorry, that's journalists.
>
> get in the way of their election prospects, then.


So, anybody up for trying to get one of the parties to campaign against the
others on green issues and see which form of environmentalism wins?

P.
--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?
 

> Truck drivers carry expensive and much needed consumer white goods to
> our local stores. Coaches mostly carry pensioners and students, who
> are a pesky drain on the national purse.
>
>

Leave us pensioners out of it mate ;-)

Peter
300TDi ES Auto Disco


 
Personally I wish the "SUV" had never been invented,

4X4's should be practical vehicles with none of this designer chic nonsence.
Like my series 3 for instance :)

Mind you there are plenty of stealth 4x4's out there, in the form of audis
and such like which again seems not to worry the knee jerk morons.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Peter Seddon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all
>
> Did anyone else hear the item on R2 news this am about large 4x4s having

to
> have health and environment wornings stuck all over them. Which tree

hugging
> numpty though that one up.!!!
>
> Peter.
>
>



 
On or around Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:55:10 -0000, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Personally I wish the "SUV" had never been invented,
>
>4X4's should be practical vehicles with none of this designer chic nonsence.
>Like my series 3 for instance :)
>
>Mind you there are plenty of stealth 4x4's out there, in the form of audis
>and such like which again seems not to worry the knee jerk morons.


Audi Allroad, Volvo XC90? both are big and tall. VW/Ford peoplecarrier
with 4x4?



 
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