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RobertOHare

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So got stuck in some real boggy mud on friday night. Tried to dig it and get stuff under the wheels tryed pulling it out everything.

Police turned up in a Defender 110 all kitted up i didnt want there help as i knew they wouldnt be able to offer it, but he did try pull me out but being such a noob he spooled off his winch line and didnt know how to get it back on, and wouldnt let me do it for him.

After about 3 ish hours of trying i phoned a recovery company. They sent out a van to survey the pickle first before sending either a tractor or a low loader with a winch on.

Anyway he said it was a strait pull with a winch and congratulated me on how deep i had got the 90. After getting it winched up he also let off to much winch line and the slipped pulling it off the winch again.

Half hour of him trying to get it back on and cutting all his hands on the wire he called yet another recovery truck. same thing but they bridged the gap of about 5ft that his line strugged to reach with a heavy duty tie down ratched strap for strapping cars to the back of his low loader.

Low and behold. *SNAP* that went as well. so

3 winches later he got the chains out and it was finally out nearly 5 hours later.

first time i have got reall stuck, to make it all worse i was in work the next day at half 8 for a nice busy 9 hour day.

i have jet washed the landy down and this is the reason for the post.

when i get to about 60 ish on the speado so about 50ish mph i get a real bad wobble and a shake. Is there anything i should be looking for i have got most if not all of the mud off the inside of the wheels wich i thought might have been putting the balance of the wheels off. and my tracking is out slightley as it was before i got stuck. i was trying a little to turn the wheels when i was stuck in the mud but is there anything i could have damaged. ?

Rob.


ALLSO the previous owner of the landy must have just gave the rear cross member a lick of hammerite as when i jet washed it as you can guess it took all the black off. how easy are they to unbolt and get off so i can get it sandblasted and painted up?

:boom:
 
RobertOHare said:
So got stuck in some real boggy mud on friday night. Tried to dig it and get stuff under the wheels tryed pulling it out everything.

Police turned up in a Defender 110 all kitted up i didnt want there help as i knew they wouldnt be able to offer it, but he did try pull me out but being such a noob he spooled off his winch line and didnt know how to get it back on, and wouldnt let me do it for him.

After about 3 ish hours of trying i phoned a recovery company. They sent out a van to survey the pickle first before sending either a tractor or a low loader with a winch on.

Anyway he said it was a strait pull with a winch and congratulated me on how deep i had got the 90. After getting it winched up he also let off to much winch line and the slipped pulling it off the winch again.

Half hour of him trying to get it back on and cutting all his hands on the wire he called yet another recovery truck. same thing but they bridged the gap of about 5ft that his line strugged to reach with a heavy duty tie down ratched strap for strapping cars to the back of his low loader.

Low and behold. *SNAP* that went as well. so

3 winches later he got the chains out and it was finally out nearly 5 hours later.

first time i have got reall stuck, to make it all worse i was in work the next day at half 8 for a nice busy 9 hour day.

i have jet washed the landy down and this is the reason for the post.

when i get to about 60 ish on the speado so about 50ish mph i get a real bad wobble and a shake. Is there anything i should be looking for i have got most if not all of the mud off the inside of the wheels wich i thought might have been putting the balance of the wheels off. and my tracking is out slightley as it was before i got stuck. i was trying a little to turn the wheels when i was stuck in the mud but is there anything i could have damaged. ?

Rob.


ALLSO the previous owner of the landy must have just gave the rear cross member a lick of hammerite as when i jet washed it as you can guess it took all the black off. how easy are they to unbolt and get off so i can get it sandblasted and painted up?

:boom:
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rear crossmember easy to unbolt, just remove the row of bolts holding it to the body at the rear then take an angle grinder to the chassis legs just in front of rear axle , bit of a bugger to refit though :D
 
Jesus you should have called lz international rescue. Check for mud on the inside of the wheels and on the props.
 
A rescue you'll not forget in a long time. I think we all have a heavy duty recovery at some point.
Mine was 5 hours in Wales pulling out a D3 bogged down in a field.
With snow and no light it was a long long job.
 
RobertOHare said:
So got stuck in some real boggy mud on friday night. Tried to dig it and get stuff under the wheels tryed pulling it out everything.

Police turned up in a Defender 110 all kitted up i didnt want there help as i knew they wouldnt be able to offer it, but he did try pull me out but being such a noob he spooled off his winch line and didnt know how to get it back on, and wouldnt let me do it for him.

After about 3 ish hours of trying i phoned a recovery company. They sent out a van to survey the pickle first before sending either a tractor or a low loader with a winch on.

Anyway he said it was a strait pull with a winch and congratulated me on how deep i had got the 90. After getting it winched up he also let off to much winch line and the slipped pulling it off the winch again.

Half hour of him trying to get it back on and cutting all his hands on the wire he called yet another recovery truck. same thing but they bridged the gap of about 5ft that his line strugged to reach with a heavy duty tie down ratched strap for strapping cars to the back of his low loader.

Low and behold. *SNAP* that went as well. so

3 winches later he got the chains out and it was finally out nearly 5 hours later.

first time i have got reall stuck, to make it all worse i was in work the next day at half 8 for a nice busy 9 hour day.

i have jet washed the landy down and this is the reason for the post.

when i get to about 60 ish on the speado so about 50ish mph i get a real bad wobble and a shake. Is there anything i should be looking for i have got most if not all of the mud off the inside of the wheels wich i thought might have been putting the balance of the wheels off. and my tracking is out slightley as it was before i got stuck. i was trying a little to turn the wheels when i was stuck in the mud but is there anything i could have damaged. ?

Rob.


ALLSO the previous owner of the landy must have just gave the rear cross member a lick of hammerite as when i jet washed it as you can guess it took all the black off. how easy are they to unbolt and get off so i can get it sandblasted and painted up?

:boom:
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Mate sounds like you called out one proper pump recovery company!

The wobble can be from a number of issues.

First check your wheels mainly the inside for cacked on mud/clay. This will affect your balance. Next check you props as goonarmy mentioned. Check for mud cacking them but also for misalignment. (i,ll get to that). Check your track rod and steering rod again for misalignment. Last check your rear trailing arms to see if they have bent or the mounts have suffered damage.

The reason i mentioned the above is when you get stuck there is forces that get applied to various components that you cant see. I can bore you to death but a bogged in 90 weighs just shy of 2 ton. But once its bogged in the actually recovery weight will be greater. So you mention boggy mud so therefore add another ton, Where the axles locked up? add one ton per axle if so. Then the degree of slope were you are stuck again add a ton maybe 2 id the slope is steep. Before you know it your looking at 5 maybe 6 ton required to move the Vehicle.

I have in my time seen many landrovers/snatchs with the rear axle ripped off through recovery, by the sounds of it the company that came out sound like clowns and were using their slideback winch to try and recover you. The winch on a slide back is usually only for loading so therefore has a low SWL.

Check the above and if they have fecked yur 90 and yu pay,d them for the recovery i,d go asking for money back!
 

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Soloby Rob said:
Do you really think he has the nouce to do that???? I don't.
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my battery went on my phone as i was using the internet to get recovery numbers and as i dont think landy forum has a app it aint very easy to get onto the forum add password user name then start searching waiting for reply.

so dont question some ones intellect when you dont know them, thats not me spitting out my dummy thats me warning you. I you may know a bit more about landrovers then me but that dosnt make you gods gift :fighting:

Thanks for the replys, will get under it tomorow after work in the feckin dark as i go to work in the dark and come home in the dark pretty much sucks.

It was really soft mud and all the axles were free moving just literaly ground it upto the chassis.

I made sure i was the one who hitched it upto the landrover and only used the eyelet on the front with a shackle to make it a tad bigger.

It was the winch off the back of the low loader was talking to him about it and he said he has done alot of recoverys from were i was usualy they use the tractor with a standard heavie duty rope but that would have cost me £150+ but using the low loader it cost me £85.

Have me haynes manual here so will write down what you guys said and check away tomorow :)
 
RobertOHare said:
my battery went on my phone as i was using the internet to get recovery numbers and as i dont think landy forum has a app it aint very easy to get onto the forum add password user name then start searching waiting for reply.

so dont question some ones intellect when you dont know them, thats not me spitting out my dummy thats me warning you. I you may know a bit more about landrovers then me but that dosnt make you gods gift :fighting:

Thanks for the replys, will get under it tomorow after work in the feckin dark as i go to work in the dark and come home in the dark pretty much sucks.

It was really soft mud and all the axles were free moving just literaly ground it upto the chassis.

I made sure i was the one who hitched it upto the landrover and only used the eyelet on the front with a shackle to make it a tad bigger.

It was the winch off the back of the low loader was talking to him about it and he said he has done alot of recoverys from were i was usualy they use the tractor with a standard heavie duty rope but that would have cost me £150+ but using the low loader it cost me £85.

Have me haynes manual here so will write down what you guys said and check away tomorow :)
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RobertOHare said:
my battery went on my phone as i was using the internet to get recovery numbers and as i dont think landy forum has a app it aint very easy to get onto the forum add password user name then start searching waiting for reply.

so dont question some ones intellect when you dont know them, thats not me spitting out my dummy thats me warning you. I you may know a bit more about landrovers then me but that dosnt make you gods gift :fighting:

Thanks for the replys, will get under it tomorow after work in the feckin dark as i go to work in the dark and come home in the dark pretty much sucks.

It was really soft mud and all the axles were free moving just literaly ground it upto the chassis.

I made sure i was the one who hitched it upto the landrover and only used the eyelet on the front with a shackle to make it a tad bigger.

It was the winch off the back of the low loader was talking to him about it and he said he has done alot of recoverys from were i was usualy they use the tractor with a standard heavie duty rope but that would have cost me £150+ but using the low loader it cost me £85.

Have me haynes manual here so will write down what you guys said and check away tomorow :)
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When you were getting winched out did your steering work , ie could you steer yur 90 towards the low loader. Or was it on such an angle that it dragged yur 90 towards it without the wheels following the line of the winch?... Did they rag yur 90 which put undue stress on yur steering components, have a good look at the steering rod and cross key plate then.
 
bigvinnie said:
When you were getting winched out did your steering work , ie could you steer yur 90 towards the low loader. Or was it on such an angle that it dragged yur 90 towards it without the wheels following the line of the winch?... Did they rag yur 90 which put undue stress on yur steering components, have a good look at the steering rod and cross key plate then.
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give my regards to mario in morning vinne :cool:
 
bigvinnie said:
When you were getting winched out did your steering work , ie could you steer yur 90 towards the low loader. Or was it on such an angle that it dragged yur 90 towards it without the wheels following the line of the winch?... Did they rag yur 90 which put undue stress on yur steering components, have a good look at the steering rod and cross key plate then.
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could turn the wheels but it was making little difference it was the angle he was pulling at and just pulled no ragging involved.
 
RobertOHare said:
could turn the wheels but it was making little difference it was the angle he was pulling at and just pulled no ragging involved.
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The angle he pulled should of been as staright on as possible to yur 90, if not when the strain was taken and your 90 was moving the stress would of been applied through yur steering components. So if yur 90 was moving towards the the low loader but the wheels were " turned the oppisite way or on full lock" thats a lot of side force applied. i,d check there first.

Some civillian recovery firms are cowboys mate!
 
One more thing that MAY MAY MAY have happened. The track rod may have bent slightly when you were dragging it out. I have had that before. For some reason, landrover make the track rod with a very weak bit of rod. Serious off roaders will know this too. They bend very easy. You MAY have bent it slightly when draggin it out. Perticularly if you were dragging it out backwards. The supporting bracket that bolts under the front diff, only supports the track rod from being bent backwards. Get underneath and you will see what I mean. I noticed you said you have got most of the mud from the inside of the wheels. To be sure its not that mate, get ALL of the mud out. A lump of wet mud, can weigh a lot more than you think! Even more at speed. Good luck!
 
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