Tow Rope/cable

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styleruk said:
I was at a local jumble sale by our scout hut saturday and some **** moved the cones that were put there to stop people driving on the very boggy field next to the hard standing car park. then they drove their transit custom that must have weighed 2 tonnes and got very stuck. They buried their front down so much that the engine sump was buried.
As I walked past him, he shouted out the window, 'give you £50 to pull me out', I said no chance. firstly, I don't have a tow rope and secondly, he can stay there and wait for recovery and think about life choices.
That got me thinking, if I had a rope I would have helped of course, but I don't. So I was going to buy a decent tow rope or cable to put in the back for those special occasions.
Anyone want to share what they got? If I google it, I just get a ton of **** adverts for random ropes that may or may not be great.

PS: scout hut people were very ****ed off with him as he left a long deep trench in their nice field.
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Depends what you want to use the rope for really.

Do NOT use chains or cables unless you want to injure or kill someone!!

A recovery rope should be used for recovery not a tow rope. Usually recovery ropes have a bit of stretch and give to reduce shock loading.

Straps and stropes are not so good either as most have no stretch, so very high shock loading. They can be ok as a towing device, but not recovery. There are some stretchy Kinetic staps these days. Advantage is they are more compact to carry, but have a limited number of uses before the stretch is all gone, at that point they need throwing away.

Kinetic ropes work differently and can be used many times with no limit bar general wear and tear.

As you don't want things breaking, higher load ratings are better than low ones. A 1" diameter rope as a min would be a suggestion. Not the string type ones you might see at Halfords.

A longer rope can be handy as you can always double it back to make it shorter.

You will need a way to attach the rope to a vehicle, quality rated D or Bow shackles can be used. But only use them to join a rope to vehicle, never to join two ropes together.

Soft shackles are great too, but should only be used on rounded edges. Sharp corners or edges will run the risk of cutting through it.

Also make sure you use quality recovery points. Lashing eyes are normally not strong enough and you should use high tensile (8.8 or higher) bolts.
 
Hicap phill said:
Also attaching to tow ball can break the ball off.
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I would question this statement.

In some parts of the world it is common to see tow balls like this:
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These do have potential to break and shear off, although it is usually unlikely.

In the UK such tow balls are not as common, we tend to have things like this:
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and this:
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I have never heard of these failing or snapping. And indeed such tow balls are rated at competition level for 4x4 recovery (assuming the sharp edges have been removed).
 
300bhp/ton said:
I would question this statement.

In some parts of the world it is common to see tow balls like this:
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These do have potential to break and shear off, although it is usually unlikely.

In the UK such tow balls are not as common, we tend to have things like this:
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and this:
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I have never heard of these failing or snapping. And indeed such tow balls are rated at competition level for 4x4 recovery (assuming the sharp edges have been removed).
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If you see a recovery point on completion motors they are lay down so the forces have changed. (On front of motor)
Rear normally is a jaw/ball type. I always use the jaw,saves on removing the rope after live recovery while racing

Forces change when a motor is snatched and this causes failure. Tow balls are rated for a gentle pull
 
Hicap phill said:
If you see a recovery point on completion motors they are lay down so the forces have changed. (On front of motor)
Rear normally is a jaw/ball type. I always use the jaw,saves on removing the rope after live recovery while racing

Forces change when a motor is snatched and this causes failure. Tow balls are rated for a gentle pull
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I like Nato hooks myself. But the tow balls of the design noted above are used for competition use including snatch recoveries for Team Recovery events. e.g.

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Towballs are designed to carry just a few hundred Kg's.
What's holding your towball on ?
What is is held on to ?

2 x M12 10.9 bolts ? (about 4 tonne ?)
new 3mm mild steel plate ? (about 2 tonne ?)
Rusty defender rear X-member (less than 2 tonne ?)

I/Me, personally, would never, ever, ever use a tow ball on a vehicle as a recovery point, but I would tow using one.
 
miktdish said:
Towballs are designed to carry just a few hundred Kg's.
What's holding your towball on ?
What is is held on to ?

2 x M12 10.9 bolts ? (about 4 tonne ?)
new 3mm mild steel plate ? (about 2 tonne ?)
Rusty defender rear X-member (less than 2 tonne ?)

I/Me, personally, would never, ever, ever use a tow ball on a vehicle as a recovery point, but I would tow using one.
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That's a fair point, don't think I'd chance it in the future unless it's just a simple pull to gain traction or something. Besides, my 1985 90 with petrol engine will struggle to pull the skin off a rice pudding, so don't really want to go having a tug of war with anything. But may consider towing a townie out of a puddle one day.
 
300bhp/ton said:
Depends what you want to use the rope for really.

Do NOT use chains or cables unless you want to injure or kill someone!!

A recovery rope should be used for recovery not a tow rope. Usually recovery ropes have a bit of stretch and give to reduce shock loading.

Straps and stropes are not so good either as most have no stretch, so very high shock loading. They can be ok as a towing device, but not recovery. There are some stretchy Kinetic staps these days. Advantage is they are more compact to carry, but have a limited number of uses before the stretch is all gone, at that point they need throwing away.

Kinetic ropes work differently and can be used many times with no limit bar general wear and tear.

As you don't want things breaking, higher load ratings are better than low ones. A 1" diameter rope as a min would be a suggestion. Not the string type ones you might see at Halfords.

A longer rope can be handy as you can always double it back to make it shorter.

You will need a way to attach the rope to a vehicle, quality rated D or Bow shackles can be used. But only use them to join a rope to vehicle, never to join two ropes together.

Soft shackles are great too, but should only be used on rounded edges. Sharp corners or edges will run the risk of cutting through it.

Also make sure you use quality recovery points. Lashing eyes are normally not strong enough and you should use high tensile (8.8 or higher) bolts.
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All good info, cheers.
 
miktdish said:
Towballs are designed to carry just a few hundred Kg's.
What's holding your towball on ?
What is is held on to ?

2 x M12 10.9 bolts ? (about 4 tonne ?)
new 3mm mild steel plate ? (about 2 tonne ?)
Rusty defender rear X-member (less than 2 tonne ?)

I/Me, personally, would never, ever, ever use a tow ball on a vehicle as a recovery point, but I would tow using one.
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The recovery point needs to be suitable, regardless of the final rope attachment point. 6-10mm thick plate behind the rear cross member works and high tensile fixings.

The ALRC/ARC have been running off roading events for about 60 years. We are one of the largest motorsports organisers in the country accounting for around percent of all the off road permits issued by the MSUK each year. Tow balls and fitments to Land Rover's have been proven and tested 1000's of times in competition over the years. Hence the fact they are allowed and recommended.
 
About ten years ago while myself and a friend were setting out a 4x4 trial he got his trials truck stuck down to the belly in sand quarry washings pit when it broke through the hardened surface. No one else to help so we joined our tow ropes so as to have enough length for my Ninety to be on solid ground.
A tug was of no use or even a couple of fair yanks. Knowing my trucks chassis was in good order I decided to go for it using the tow ball. This got him out of the mire. The tow ball had taken the strain but both its bolts had bent some!!! And had to be replaced. [ So was the ball]
Decided to never try that again but was pleased the Landy took the strain.
Struts from the rear of ball to chassis do spread the load.
 
I would add I use the liting straps/strops as static pulls, I.e no dynamic or kinetic loading.

I do actually always have an old climbing rope to use as the length can come in handy, they are massively rated, and they do have a fair amount of stretch in them, unless something is totally bogged most rated things will do the job fine, I also have a couple of snatch blocks which can be used as re-directs or to pull something sideways, these are fantastic for doubling the pulling power to.
 
300bhp/ton said:
The recovery point needs to be suitable, regardless of the final rope attachment point. 6-10mm thick plate behind the rear cross member works and high tensile fixings.

The ALRC/ARC have been running off roading events for about 60 years. We are one of the largest motorsports organisers in the country accounting for around percent of all the off road permits issued by the MSUK each year. Tow balls and fitments to Land Rover's have been proven and tested 1000's of times in competition over the years. Hence the fact they are allowed and recommended.
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And Malcom still builds nice motors…
Has he retired yet?
 
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