<gloom>

In message <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> writes
>Yes but are you factoring in 13 mpg for a thirsty landie ?
>
>I reckon it is still cheaper for me to go to London by train, quicker and
>more convenient. But then London is not exactly the right environment for
>landies anyway.
>
>
I wasn't agreeing with the site generally
Its just the only place I know online where there is some sort of
calculation as to the pollution building a car causes.
I was only trying to justify the landie
I reckon I get 9mpg generally (usually rarely in top and up and down
tracks with a trialer on) 17mpg on the road
--
Mark Roberts

mark wrote:

> Http://www.worldcarfree.net/resources/stats.php#manufacturing
>

Very neo-Malthusian. Its growth figures assume that everyone will one
day be able to drive two cars simultaneously. Like in the UK, Greenpeace
et al proclaim that there is no limit to the number of cars on our roads
- of course there is, drivers. Discount those under 17 for a start
(apart from chavs) , discount those who can't drive, and all those Green
peace members who won't drive, and the maxiumum HAS to be less than the
UK population.

Steve

....and Thos spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

> Virgin are now allowed to charge just over £200 for an open
> return from Manchester to London.

<snip>

> the present Govt., which allows this to happen,

I'm not too keen on the "allowed" there. This isn't Soviet Russia (yet).

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Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

....and beamendsltd spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


>> Remember when Clarkson did the stunt of buying a car (a Grandad,
>> ISTR) with tax and MoT, and drove it to Newcastle, for LESS than the
>> cost of the train fare?
>>
>
> To be fair, that was the "standard" fare, which you'd not normally
> have to pay if you booked ahead (though you shouldn't have too in by
> book, but that's another story), so it was the usual Clarksonesque
> type of report.

Oh yes, a wild Clarksonian exaggeration as we have come to expect, but the
point was he was able to do it - BUY a car, legally drive it there, and
still be cheaper than the standard rail fare.

The only reason I can see for going anywhere at all by train is to visit
London. Once a decade seems to do me.

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Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:07:26 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>This isn't Soviet Russia (yet).

Sadly. I could do with a tractor.

....and Steve Taylor spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> mark wrote:
>
>> Http://www.worldcarfree.net/resources/stats.php#manufacturing
>>
>
> Very neo-Malthusian. Its growth figures assume that everyone will one
> day be able to drive two cars simultaneously. Like in the UK,
> Greenpeace et al proclaim that there is no limit to the number of
> cars on our roads - of course there is, drivers. Discount those under
> 17 for a start (apart from chavs) , discount those who can't drive,
> and all those Green peace members who won't drive, and the maxiumum
> HAS to be less than the UK population.
>
> Steve

Mind you, I can think of several on this group alone who would drive two (or
even more) Land Rovers simultaneously if they could find a way.

Me, for example.

--
Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

....and Mother" <"@ {mother} @ spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:07:26 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This isn't Soviet Russia (yet).
>
> Sadly. I could do with a tractor.

You need to see my girlfriend, than. She's the local agent for Zetor.

Na Zdarovye!


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Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:12:24 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>...and beamendsltd spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
>>> Remember when Clarkson did the stunt of buying a car (a Grandad,
>>> ISTR) with tax and MoT, and drove it to Newcastle, for LESS than the
>>> cost of the train fare?
>>>
>>
>> To be fair, that was the "standard" fare, which you'd not normally
>> have to pay if you booked ahead (though you shouldn't have too in by
>> book, but that's another story), so it was the usual Clarksonesque
>> type of report.
>
>Oh yes, a wild Clarksonian exaggeration as we have come to expect, but the
>point was he was able to do it - BUY a car, legally drive it there, and
>still be cheaper than the standard rail fare.
>
>The only reason I can see for going anywhere at all by train is to visit
>London. Once a decade seems to do me.

Standard rail fare is a reality for many people. When I go to London
(as infrequently as possible, but several times per year) it's usually
for a meeting of half a dozen people, all with fluid diaries. I'm
lucky if I can buy the tickets 24 hours in advance, let alone a week.
And I travel first class usually so I can work, because otherwise it's
5 hours lost productivity.

I'd have to check, but I think Wakefield - Kings Cross last time was
about £200. I fly to Ireland and mainland Europe for less (and often
faster).

Trains are great, because I can work and justify having the mobile
off. But for most journeys I do they are vastly impractical and too
slow - it takes almost about 40 minutes for me to drive to a mainline
station, against 3 minutes to drive to an M1 junction.

--
Tim Hobbs

On or around Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:23:40 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:54:01 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Was she pretty?
>
>Bad form to answer your own question, but I'd certainly buy her a
>drink if she invested in a decent bra and some lippie...
>
>Anyway, pseudo-misogyny apart, the clip is available here:
>
>http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/bbc-io-20060207-neil.wmv
>
>59.1MB

coo, good stuff.

greenpeace come over as incredibly biased. I notice no mention of the other
"pointless" 4x4s: Hummer, Ford Explorer, Toyota Land cruiser Amazon, VW
toerag, Porshce Cayenne, BMW X5 and X3, all of which are doubtless equally
bad for the environment.

Also misinformation abounding... 12 mpg from range rovers. Possibly, if you
drive like a ****. ditto "25 mpg" for diesel ones. Our diesel 300 TDi
disco returns about 32 average, better on a run. Neil himself claims 18 mpg
from his RR, which is 50% better than Greenpeace's claims.

Trouble is, you can't argue with 'em 'cos they refuse to listen, and just
repeat the same old mantra about "carbon monoxide" which is bollocks - all
cars after 1993 have cats, and the whole point of that expensive technology
is to STOP it emitting bloody CO - so the CO argument is as fatuous as most
of the others. OK, they do put out more *CO2* than a ford fiesta. But so
do jags, so do ford scorpios, so do large BMWs and mercs, so do bloody great
volvo estates...

Someone should REALLY also mention the MPVs. How many MPV owners regularly
use all 7 seats? How many *ever* do so? Don't see any cries for them to
all buy a small runabout.
--
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Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)

....and Mother" <"@ {mother} @ spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

> Bad form to answer your own question, but I'd certainly buy her a
> drink if she invested in a decent bra and some lippie...
>
> Anyway, pseudo-misogyny apart, the clip is available here:
>
> http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/bbc-io-20060207-neil.wmv
>
> 59.1MB

Martyn, I downloaded this, and I'm getting the sound OK, but the video is
just a green screen with purple lines moving across it. I'm using Windows
Media Player 10. Same with Real Player v10. What's wrong, and any way
round this?

BTW, I'm sure it would be more interesting if she invested in an indecent
bra. (OK, Karen, I'll get me coat...)


--
Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

Richard Brookman wrote:
..
> Martyn, I downloaded this, and I'm getting the sound OK, but the video is
> just a green screen with purple lines moving across it. I'm using Windows
> Media Player 10. Same with Real Player v10. What's wrong, and any way
> round this?
>
> BTW, I'm sure it would be more interesting if she invested in an indecent
> bra. (OK, Karen, I'll get me coat...)
>
>

A titter ran round the audience.....

See you in the cloakroom Richard.

Steve

....and Steve Taylor spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

>> BTW, I'm sure it would be more interesting if she invested in an
>> indecent bra. (OK, Karen, I'll get me coat...)
>>
>>
>
> A titter ran round the audience.....
>
> See you in the cloakroom Richard.
>
> Steve

Oi! Put me down. I'm a nice girl.

--
Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:33:07 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'd have to check, but I think Wakefield - Kings Cross last time was
>about £200. I fly to Ireland and mainland Europe for less (and often
>faster).

Course, back in the old days, when I had an office in Amsterdam and
there were flights from Sheffield airport, I could be at a meeting in
the RAI (Amsterdam Conference Centre) quicker than I could be in a
meeting in Leeds City Centre - erm, and for a few quid less, too...

Never _ever_ do London meetings these days - if it's _that_ important
then _they_ can come to Poggle Wood and meet Max...

On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:43:00 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Martyn, I downloaded this, and I'm getting the sound OK, but the video is
>just a green screen with purple lines moving across it. I'm using Windows
>Media Player 10. Same with Real Player v10. What's wrong, and any way
>round this?

I didn't encode it - p'raps the person who did may like to comment?


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of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:46:15 +0000, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> BTW, I'm sure it would be more interesting if she invested in an indecent
>> bra. (OK, Karen, I'll get me coat...)
>
>A titter ran round the audience.....

Slightly disappointed really that they didn't film it in mid winter.

Looks like we're all wearing coats - odd that...

Odd....standard XP Moviemaker WMV.....

--
Neil

Richard Brookman wrote:
> ...and Mother" <"@ {mother} @ spake unto the tribes of Usenet,
> saying...
>
>> Bad form to answer your own question, but I'd certainly buy her a
>> drink if she invested in a decent bra and some lippie...
>>
>> Anyway, pseudo-misogyny apart, the clip is available here:
>>
>> http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/bbc-io-20060207-neil.wmv
>>
>> 59.1MB
>
> Martyn, I downloaded this, and I'm getting the sound OK, but the
> video is just a green screen with purple lines moving across it. I'm
> using Windows Media Player 10. Same with Real Player v10. What's
> wrong, and any way round this?
>
> BTW, I'm sure it would be more interesting if she invested in an
> indecent bra. (OK, Karen, I'll get me coat...)

Do I detect a little Venus envy growing within this NG?

Oh, the power of the bra
Makes the discomfort of wearing an indecent one worthwhile

K
--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

Mother" <"@ {mother} @ wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 22:33:07 +0000, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'd have to check, but I think Wakefield - Kings Cross last time was
>> about £200. I fly to Ireland and mainland Europe for less (and often
>> faster).
>
> Course, back in the old days, when I had an office in Amsterdam and
> there were flights from Sheffield airport, I could be at a meeting in
> the RAI (Amsterdam Conference Centre) quicker than I could be in a
> meeting in Leeds City Centre - erm, and for a few quid less, too...
>
> Never _ever_ do London meetings these days - if it's _that_ important
> then _they_ can come to Poggle Wood and meet Max...

I can remember contacting my boss in Montreal in the morning, flying there and
seeing him before the close of play that day. Scary!! Specially cos I can't now
figure out how!

--
"He who says it cannot be done is advised not to interrupt her doing
it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

....and Karen Gallagher spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

> Oh, the power of the bra
> Makes the discomfort of wearing an indecent one worthwhile
>
> K

Mmmm, know what you mean.

--
Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

On or around Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:27:25 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>...and Mother" <"@ {mother} @ spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
>> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 22:07:26 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> This isn't Soviet Russia (yet).
>>
>> Sadly. I could do with a tractor.
>
>You need to see my girlfriend, than. She's the local agent for Zetor.
>
>Na Zdarovye!

do they use Zetors in Russia? I'd expect there to be some sort of moskvitch
or sometihng. or something called ZIT or somesuch.

*I* still want one of them 6x6 ZILs, if that's what they were.
--
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I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)