<gloom>

Not all though and outside of the classic car fraternity who are very much a
minority, I'll wager that the majority of survivors from the 60's and 70's
are landies and being driven for practicality not show.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:d9ce4f54d%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> Steve Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> I wouldn't push that one - of the first million Series motors how many
> are still on/off the road? LR got a slap from the ASA over that campaign.
>
> Doubtless there are many more LR "survivours" on the road than any other
> make (except possibly VW camper vans), but 80%? - Nothing like I fear.
> An awful lot of, particularly 109, Series motors died when 90/110's
> dropped to affordable prices around 4/5 years ago - I went from actaully
> managing to sell s/h Series bits to chucking the lot in a skip in just
> 12 months.
>
> Richard
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Larry <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> Well 80% of my landie is still going, as for the other 20% I wonder

I thought the stats were 75 % of all oil put in to Landies was still on the
road... but I could be wrong ;-)

Lee

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:40:27 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd <[email protected]>
wrote:

->In message <[email protected]>
-> "Neil Brownlee" <[email protected]> wrote:
->
->> They were only after V8's....nothing else. Odd huh? I bet they cut the bit
->> where I say it's the same engine as the BMW 7 series....
->>
->
->I'll bet - pointing out that many saloon cars use far more fuel doesn't
->fit in with the politics of evny.

Another week and another article on insideout about 4x4's and offroading, I
assume someone in their production office has a axe to grind, and they never let
a good balanced argument get in the way of their agenda.


--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

Well...anyone see it? It wasn't as unbalanced as I had suspected it might
be - although some salient points I made were omitted.

--
Neil

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:42:29 +0000 (UTC), "Neil Brownlee"
<[email protected]> wrote:

->Well...anyone see it? It wasn't as unbalanced as I had suspected it might
->be - although some salient points I made were omitted.

I didn't see it but if they didn't show your salient points how could it be
balanced ?

How many of the yoghurt knitters points were omitted ?


--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

On or around Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:16:47 +0000, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>beamendsltd wrote:
>
>> Personaly, I belive you can't win with the anti(anything)'s - I used
>
>I think the clinching argument for the Landy is that figure I saw
>bandied about that 80% of all the Landys ever made are still going. Now
>the "embodied energy" in a new vehicle is enormous, huge amouunts of
>plastic, steel, aluminium etc. etc. Has anyone got the numbers ? I
>reckon, that taken over the proper product lifecycle for the Landy, they
>are far and away more efficient than many modern eurovagen.

ISTR a figure that half the pollution produced during the lifetime of a
typical car is in the production process.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right
is to be none the less free than you were before."
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16

On or around Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC), Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 15:30:21 +0000 (UTC), "Neil Brownlee"
><[email protected]> scribbled the following
>nonsense:
>
>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/east/index.shtml
>>
>>Now .... I'm not sure about this anymore.....
>
>"During a heated debate Vicky asks Neil, "don't you care about your
>children - they're going to inherit the planet".
>
>"Neil retorts, "They're going to inherit a 4 x 4!" "
>
>is a cracker, would have loved to have seen her face!

yeah, I liked that.

I wonder what she'd think of my "other" 4x4 - the 2.8 sierra estate. If
driven hard, it produces fuel consumption that makes a series LR look good.
's got one of they fuel computers - the lowest instantaneous figure I've
seen on it was 4 mpg (albeit with the engine cold) and you have to drive
very steadily and carefully to get more than about 28 average.

Previous owner clocked the MPG on the motorway at a steady speed - 90 mph
gave 19 mpg, 110 mph gave 14 mpg.

drive it hard across country and it's closer to 14 as well. The 3.5 disco
managed about 18 mpg driven reasonably sensibly...

But of course, the sierra 's not a "4x4", it's a "normal car"...
--
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"Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right
is to be none the less free than you were before."
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:42:29 +0000 (UTC), "Neil Brownlee"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Well...anyone see it? It wasn't as unbalanced as I had suspected it might
>be - although some salient points I made were omitted.

No, that prog is regional init. If you recorded it I can rip and
encode it to go with the others at www.101fc.net/files/vids/

Was she pretty?


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

In message <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> writes
>On or around Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:16:47 +0000, Steve Taylor
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>beamendsltd wrote:
>>
>>> Personaly, I belive you can't win with the anti(anything)'s - I used
>>
>>I think the clinching argument for the Landy is that figure I saw
>>bandied about that 80% of all the Landys ever made are still going. Now
>>the "embodied energy" in a new vehicle is enormous, huge amouunts of
>>plastic, steel, aluminium etc. etc. Has anyone got the numbers ? I
>>reckon, that taken over the proper product lifecycle for the Landy, they
>>are far and away more efficient than many modern eurovagen.
>
>ISTR a figure that half the pollution produced during the lifetime of a
>typical car is in the production process.

Http://www.worldcarfree.net/resources/stats.php#manufacturing



So my old series could save the planet

Mind you, I also have a van and 2 other
cars....................................
--
Mark Roberts

....and mark spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

>>
>> ISTR a figure that half the pollution produced during the lifetime
>> of a typical car is in the production process.
>
> Http://www.worldcarfree.net/resources/stats.php#manufacturing

Interesting anti-car propaganda (and a lot of food for thought), but get
this -

<<In October 2004, the German magazine Focus Money did a cost comparison of
car travel versus train travel. It found that for 12 of the 18 studied
routes, a family of four traveled more cheaply by train >>

FFS! In the UK, a car is usually cheaper than the train for just one
person, never mind four.

Remember when Clarkson did the stunt of buying a car (a Grandad, ISTR) with
tax and MoT, and drove it to Newcastle, for LESS than the cost of the train
fare?

Plus a car has the advantage that you don't have to sit for hours in the
close company of two smelly winos and a mother with six noisy kids unless
you choose to do so.

--
Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

Richard Brookman wrote:
> FFS! In the UK, a car is usually cheaper than the train for just one
> person, never mind four.
>
> Remember when Clarkson did the stunt of buying a car (a Grandad, ISTR) with
> tax and MoT, and drove it to Newcastle, for LESS than the cost of the train
> fare?

I'm astonished at the current level of UK rail fares where (for
example) Virgin are now allowed to charge just over £200 for an open
return from Manchester to London. Branson clearly hasn't got any sort
of green agenda, whatever his ex-hippie credentials may lead one to
believe, and the present Govt., which allows this to happen, doesn't
care one jot about sustainable development either.

- Tom.

"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> writes
> >On or around Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:16:47 +0000, Steve Taylor
> ><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >>beamendsltd wrote:
> >>
> >>> Personaly, I belive you can't win with the anti(anything)'s - I used
> >>
> >>I think the clinching argument for the Landy is that figure I saw
> >>bandied about that 80% of all the Landys ever made are still going. Now
> >>the "embodied energy" in a new vehicle is enormous, huge amouunts of
> >>plastic, steel, aluminium etc. etc. Has anyone got the numbers ? I
> >>reckon, that taken over the proper product lifecycle for the Landy, they
> >>are far and away more efficient than many modern eurovagen.
> >
> >ISTR a figure that half the pollution produced during the lifetime of a
> >typical car is in the production process.
>
> Http://www.worldcarfree.net/resources/stats.php#manufacturing
>
>
>
> So my old series could save the planet
>
>

Quote from said website:

"A roundtrip from Hamburg to Munich (1552 km) cost 323 euros by car, 48
euros less than by car. (And that includes transport costs to the train
station and from the train station to the final destination in town.)
These figures are probably easily transferrable to other European
countries, less so to the United States, where fuel is still artifically
cheap"

First of all, i cant work out which "CAR" is a typo in that first
comparison. secondly, fuel in US is not artificially cheap, rather, it is
artificially expensive in UK, and to a lesser extent here in Australia. all
americans i speak to can't believe how much we pay for fuel (close to
double) and us Aussies can't believe how much you Brits pay for fuel (almost
double again).

Yes but are you factoring in 13 mpg for a thirsty landie ?

I reckon it is still cheaper for me to go to London by train, quicker and
more convenient. But then London is not exactly the right environment for
landies anyway.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes






"Samuel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> "A roundtrip from Hamburg to Munich (1552 km) cost 323 euros by car,
48
> euros less than by car. (And that includes transport costs to the
train
> station and from the train station to the final destination in town.)
> These figures are probably easily transferrable to other European
> countries, less so to the United States, where fuel is still
artifically
> cheap"
>
> First of all, i cant work out which "CAR" is a typo in that first
> comparison. secondly, fuel in US is not artificially cheap, rather, it is
> artificially expensive in UK, and to a lesser extent here in Australia.
all
> americans i speak to can't believe how much we pay for fuel (close to
> double) and us Aussies can't believe how much you Brits pay for fuel
(almost
> double again).
>
>

On 2006-02-07, mark <[email protected]> wrote:

> Http://www.worldcarfree.net/resources/stats.php#manufacturing

Blimey. I wonder what the figures are for those hybrid cars with all
their nasty electronics and battery gear.. I've never felt those
hybrids to be worth the trouble, especially when they only get a few
more MPG than my 8-year-old 1.9 diesel audi.

Diesel pollution is supposedly mostly local too, more so than petrol,
so can be controlled by local statutes, affecting the other side of
the world less than petrol. Diesels are supposed to be better for
Co2, Co and possibly NOx, about the same for hydrocarbons but worse
for particulates which have a mostly localised effect. So a diesel
might kill your neighbours but not the rest of the population ;-)

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

In message <[email protected]>
"Thos" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Richard Brookman wrote:
> > FFS! In the UK, a car is usually cheaper than the train for just one
> > person, never mind four.
> >
> > Remember when Clarkson did the stunt of buying a car (a Grandad, ISTR) with
> > tax and MoT, and drove it to Newcastle, for LESS than the cost of the train
> > fare?
>
> I'm astonished at the current level of UK rail fares where (for
> example) Virgin are now allowed to charge just over £200 for an open
> return from Manchester to London. Branson clearly hasn't got any sort
> of green agenda, whatever his ex-hippie credentials may lead one to
> believe, and the present Govt., which allows this to happen, doesn't
> care one jot about sustainable development either.
>
> - Tom.
>

I'm amazed we have a railway at all! Without wanting to start another
debate, just on simple little fact tells the story of why railways are
so expensive - the railway is responsible, i.e. has to pay, for *all*
the fencing beaside the lines. For roads the land owner is responsible.
In 1983 that cost the railway £20m a year.

Richard
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In message <[email protected]>
"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...and mark spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
> >>
> >> ISTR a figure that half the pollution produced during the lifetime
> >> of a typical car is in the production process.
> >
> > Http://www.worldcarfree.net/resources/stats.php#manufacturing
>
> Interesting anti-car propaganda (and a lot of food for thought), but get
> this -
>
> <<In October 2004, the German magazine Focus Money did a cost comparison of
> car travel versus train travel. It found that for 12 of the 18 studied
> routes, a family of four traveled more cheaply by train >>
>
> FFS! In the UK, a car is usually cheaper than the train for just one
> person, never mind four.
>
> Remember when Clarkson did the stunt of buying a car (a Grandad, ISTR) with
> tax and MoT, and drove it to Newcastle, for LESS than the cost of the train
> fare?
>

To be fair, that was the "standard" fare, which you'd not normally have to
pay if you booked ahead (though you shouldn't have too in by book, but
that's another story), so it was the usual Clarksonesque type of report.

> Plus a car has the advantage that you don't have to sit for hours in the
> close company of two smelly winos and a mother with six noisy kids unless
> you choose to do so.
>

You've not had a lift off us then!

Richard

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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:54:01 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>Was she pretty?

Bad form to answer your own question, but I'd certainly buy her a
drink if she invested in a decent bra and some lippie...

Anyway, pseudo-misogyny apart, the clip is available here:

http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/bbc-io-20060207-neil.wmv

59.1MB


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increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:23:40 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

->Bad form to answer your own question, but I'd certainly buy her a
->drink if she invested in a decent bra and some lippie...
->

I think she needs to have a good hard look at her rather sectarian views.

"Do you not have anything you really want ?"

"Yes but I have self control"

How sanctimonious san you get !

Well done tho Neil, pity about the parking out side the school tho ;-)


--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net

Geoff,

When I got there *the first time* I could park .... but after after about
100 passes the spaces got less and less and smaller and smaller.....so er...
yeah ;-) It's TV don't you know ;-)

*Normally* when parking is like that (i.e. I am 20 minutes late to drop
off!) I park about 500 yards away in the leisure centre carpark (which we
have (as parents) permission to!) - they wanted busy!

--
Neil

On Wed, 8 Feb 2006 14:29:17 +0000 (UTC), "Neil Brownlee"
<[email protected]> wrote:

->Geoff,
->
->When I got there *the first time* I could park .... but after after about
->100 passes the spaces got less and less and smaller and smaller.....so er...
->yeah ;-) It's TV don't you know ;-)

Be grateful you only had to do it 100 times, bet that upset the greenpeace bird,
all that fuel.

->*Normally* when parking is like that (i.e. I am 20 minutes late to drop
->off!) I park about 500 yards away in the leisure centre carpark (which we
->have (as parents) permission to!) - they wanted busy!

You should have done that to prove a point.

--
Geoff
www.anoraks.uk.net