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Just got back from Driffield when Simon from GLASS called.

He got a call on his way home and has returned to Driffield as the BBC
want to do a piece on the TROs in North Yorkshire - the piece is due
to go out tomorrow lunchtime (Monday 16th May) - probably on the local
'Look North' news circa 1pm - I'll try to record it.

 
On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:57:55 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>He got a call on his way home and has returned to Driffield as the BBC
>want to do a piece on the TROs in North Yorkshire - the piece is due
>to go out tomorrow lunchtime (Monday 16th May) - probably on the local
>'Look North' news circa 1pm - I'll try to record it.

This went out on the main BBC1 News at 1pm

I've put the clip here:

http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/YDNP_GLASS_BBC1_NEWS_2005-05-16-13-00hrs.rm

8.6meg in RealMedia format

and

http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/YDNP_GLASS_BBC1_NEWS_2005-05-16-13-00hrs.wmv

6.3meg in Windoze Media format

 


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> On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:57:55 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
> wrote:
>
> >He got a call on his way home and has returned to Driffield as the BBC
> >want to do a piece on the TROs in North Yorkshire - the piece is due
> >to go out tomorrow lunchtime (Monday 16th May) - probably on the local
> >'Look North' news circa 1pm - I'll try to record it.
>
http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/YDNP_GLASS_BBC1_NEWS_2005-05-16-13-00hrs.rm
>
http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/YDNP_GLASS_BBC1_NEWS_2005-05-16-13-00hrs.wmv

The Sunday Times carried a very confused and jumbled version of this story.

It started with the Yorkshire Dales closures, but went on to describe 4x4
drivers across the country. It implied that all use of greenlanes is through
a legal loophole that allows drivers to claim vehical rights if a track was
once used by horse and cart.

The writer did not acknowlege that greenlanes have been used by all traffic
for hundreds of years, including recent time when they have avoided being
tarmac'd over. They had obviously been confused by a ramblers argument about
RUPP conversion and the existing network of BOATS.

I noticed the BBC reporter twice described 4x4 use on the lanes as an
"adventure", I was expecting to them to cut in clips of Ray Mears at any
point.
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"Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message


 
On Mon, 16 May 2005 15:30:17 +0100, "DavidM" <djm81@(I hate
spam)cam.ac.uk> wrote:

>The writer did not acknowlege that greenlanes have been used by all traffic
>for hundreds of years, including recent time when they have avoided being
>tarmac'd over. They had obviously been confused by a ramblers argument about
>RUPP conversion and the existing network of BOATS.

It's worth remembering that the Ranblers are a very effective lobby -
in order to compete with their efflua we need to be supporting GLASS
and LARA - without a unified voice, the Ranblers will get their way
(well, they are getting their way...)

I did actually think of a good use for Janet Street-Potty over the
weekend. Tie a rope around her ankles push her face in the mud and
use her teeth as a ground anchor whilst winching...

Not that I'm bitter, you understand...

 
On Mon, 16 May 2005 16:18:43 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> made
me spill my meths when he wrote:

>use her teeth as a ground anchor whilst winching...

IRTA 'wenching'


--

Wayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213

Just another point of view...
www.4x4prejudice.org
 
On 2005-05-16, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> and the follow-up on the news at 6pm:

Cheers Martyn, I was amazed at the wire that someone had put across
the track to catch motorcyclists, I don't think they made enough of
that. Other than that there were remarkably few harrumph points, a
more balanced view than normal for the British media.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
On 2005-05-17, MVP <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> wrote:

> get them all labelled as murderers using the same logic as they use
> to group all 4x4 and off-road bike drivers/riders together.

Has it appeared in any news reports, and does anyone have any links to
articles? I'll have a search myself when I'm on a more capable
computer.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
On Tue, 17 May 2005 09:57:51 +0100, MVP wrote:

>> I was amazed at the wire that someone had put across the track to
>> catch motorcyclists, ...
>
> That streched wire bit rather shocked me, that could kill someone
> without too much trouble then there would be a manslaughter or
> possibly murder case,

Premeditated murder(*) I should imagine. I can't see how you can
"accidentally" streatch a wire across a road. A road that you know to
be used by vehicles, let alone motor cyclists. Catching the person who
did with enough evidence to secure a conviction wouldn't be easy
though/

>> ...that would be a real dent in the anti-off-roading campaign, get
>> them all labelled as murderers using the same logic as they use to
>> group all 4x4 and off-road bike drivers/riders together.

Quite. As the "ramblers" are into dirty tricks their self promoted
whiter that white image needs a bit of mud flung at it.

(*) If such a charge still exists.

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Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Tue, 17 May 2005 11:19:57 +0100, MVP wrote:

>> Premeditated murder(*) I should imagine.
>
> if it was their intention to kill then yes, but I suspect it would
> be easy to say that it was their intention to obstruct or at the
> most injure which makes death an unintentional effect and therefore
> manslaughter.

I guess a lot of the would depend on the height of the wire above the
ground where a motor cyclist could be expected to be travelling.

> ... still a bloody twisted thing to do.

Very.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
Dave Liquorice wrote:

>
>
> Premeditated murder(*)
> (*) If such a charge still exists.
>

Murder has to be premeditated, otherwise it's manslaughter, I suspect
you've been corrupted with all these American cop shows

Andy
 
In message <[email protected]>, Dave
Liquorice <[email protected]> writes
>On Tue, 17 May 2005 09:57:51 +0100, MVP wrote:
>
>>> I was amazed at the wire that someone had put across the track to
>>> catch motorcyclists, ...
>>
>> That streched wire bit rather shocked me, that could kill someone
>> without too much trouble then there would be a manslaughter or
>> possibly murder case,
>
>Premeditated murder(*) I should imagine. I can't see how you can
>"accidentally" streatch a wire across a road. A road that you know to
>be used by vehicles, let alone motor cyclists. Catching the person who
>did with enough evidence to secure a conviction wouldn't be easy
>though/
>
>>> ...that would be a real dent in the anti-off-roading campaign, get
>>> them all labelled as murderers using the same logic as they use to
>>> group all 4x4 and off-road bike drivers/riders together.
>
>Quite. As the "ramblers" are into dirty tricks their self promoted
>whiter that white image needs a bit of mud flung at it.
>
>(*) If such a charge still exists.
>
Yes but it only applies if you stretch the wire across your living room
and a burglar accidentally garrottes himself on it whilst making off
with your mobile/mp3/ipod/dvd player* having stabbed or shot you and/or
your family.
(*) I hear colour TVs are no longer in fashion as they can't easily be
sold on e-bay - too much packaging involved.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
I had just about got as far as York on the Sunday, haviung queued for 30
minutes to get down the A166 and avoid a 2 hour queue on the A614....
Finally got home at 7pm on Monday....

The video of my Disco driving through water was the only bit of water that
we found on two otherwise very dry and stony lanes.... and we had got out
with sticks to test the depth of the water etc....

The presenter, Catherine, was the one that came in with us for the interview
with Graham Hall.

Now back at home taking the engine and box out of my latest purchase, a 1979
Rangie. Had a 200TDI conversion, LT77 box and managed to get it for £750.
Should be able to sell the remains of the RR later

Even better was driving round the off road course at driffield to test it,
disabling and then getting the AA to trailer it home for me as I had my
Disco there, and my fiancee had come up in her car, so none of us were able
to drive it back to Peterborough!

--
Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Commercial Officer
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an
offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Fiancée's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and
mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

Peterborough 4x4 Club http://www.peterborough4x4.co.uk
GLASS http://www.glass-uk.org
Wayfinder Project http://www.way-finder.co.uk


--
Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Vice Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster (how
much more....)
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Commercial Officer
3.5V8 100" Hybrid, now LPG converted
Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an
offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Fiancée's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and
mounted on chassis, wai
"Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 16 May 2005 15:30:17 +0100, "DavidM" <djm81@(I hate
> spam)cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>The writer did not acknowlege that greenlanes have been used by all
>>traffic
>>for hundreds of years, including recent time when they have avoided being
>>tarmac'd over. They had obviously been confused by a ramblers argument
>>about
>>RUPP conversion and the existing network of BOATS.
>
> It's worth remembering that the Ranblers are a very effective lobby -
> in order to compete with their efflua we need to be supporting GLASS
> and LARA - without a unified voice, the Ranblers will get their way
> (well, they are getting their way...)
>
> I did actually think of a good use for Janet Street-Potty over the
> weekend. Tie a rope around her ankles push her face in the mud and
> use her teeth as a ground anchor whilst winching...
>
> Not that I'm bitter, you understand...
>


 
In message <[email protected]>, Mother <"@ {m}
@"@101fc.net> writes
>On Sun, 15 May 2005 20:57:55 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
>wrote:
>
>>He got a call on his way home and has returned to Driffield as the BBC
>>want to do a piece on the TROs in North Yorkshire - the piece is due
>>to go out tomorrow lunchtime (Monday 16th May) - probably on the local
>>'Look North' news circa 1pm - I'll try to record it.
>
>This went out on the main BBC1 News at 1pm
>
>I've put the clip here:
>
>http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/YDNP_GLASS_BBC1_NEWS_2005-05-16-13-00hrs.rm
>
>8.6meg in RealMedia format
>
>and
>
>http://www.101fc.net/files/vids/YDNP_GLASS_BBC1_NEWS_2005-05-16-13-00hrs.wmv
>
>6.3meg in Windoze Media format
>
Had a look at their website
http://www.yorkshiredales.org.uk/local-access

They have a local access forum. Interestingly they have 2 members whose
Area of Representation includes walking, and 2 for cycling but only one
for motorised recreational use - Geoff Wilson former chairman of LARA.

Of the 19 members 8 specifically mention walking as one of their
interests but only 2 list any form of recreational driving. Hardly a
Balanced representation.

Their next meeting is 28/06/05 Dales Countryside Museum, Hawes 6.00pm.
It is a public meeting and questions are allowed provided they are
submitted 5 days in advance in writing.
My question would be this -If this is a trial closure what criteria have
been set for judging whether the trial is a success or failure? Perhaps
its the level of complaints about 4x4s - oh look it's gone down since we
banned them. In fact I think I'll e-mail them now, formally complain
about the ban and ask anyway. Perhaps as many people as possible should
do that. The Access Development officer is
[email protected]

Would it be worth trying to organise some sort of substantial attendance
at this meeting together with accompanying questions? Maybe even some
sort of demonstration to get media attention? Block the access with Land
Rovers?

--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
On 2005-05-17, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

> Perhaps as many people as possible should do that. The Access
> Development officer is [email protected]
>
> Would it be worth trying to organise some sort of substantial
> attendance at this meeting together with accompanying questions?
> Maybe even some sort of demonstration to get media attention? Block
> the access with Land Rovers?

Unfortunately mailbombing and physically aggravated protests won't
help as they just get up people's noses and they'll use it as an
example of "typical" 4x4 user behaviour at every opportunity. The
best thing to do IMHO would be to contact the local GLASS
representative as he or she will be familiar with the people involved
in the process. Unfortunately with politicing much of the decision
making is based on the individual's personality and desires, rather
than what the people want so any pressure short of "I've got your
kids" would just be interpreted by them depending on their own
prejudices.

Also before you go wading into an argument, it's usually best to find
out what it's all about, questions like "how do you judge the scheme
to be successful" are very valid indeed and a short list of questions
like that would be a good starting point. I wouldn't suggest that
people invade en masse as otherwise it all degenerates into a shouting
match with people standing up and wasting time with irrelevant questions.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
On Wed, 18 May 2005 08:02:41 +0100, Ian Rawlings wrote:

> Unfortunately mailbombing and physically aggravated protests won't
> help as they just get up people's noses and they'll use it as an
> example of "typical" 4x4 user behaviour at every opportunity.

Hear, hear.

> I wouldn't suggest that people invade en masse as otherwise it all
> degenerates into a shouting match with people standing up and
> wasting time with irrelevant questions.

Hear, hear.

Well thought out and far reaching questions based on looking at the
available information, like what criteria defines "success". You never
know one of the criteria for defining success may be the level of
complaints. These days people seem to find it very hard to stand away
and look properly at things, they get the blinkers on and that's it
even for the blindly obvious.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Wed, 18 May 2005 08:02:41 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2005-05-17, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps as many people as possible should do that. The Access
>> Development officer is [email protected]
>>
>> Would it be worth trying to organise some sort of substantial
>> attendance at this meeting together with accompanying questions?
>> Maybe even some sort of demonstration to get media attention? Block
>> the access with Land Rovers?
>
>Unfortunately mailbombing and physically aggravated protests won't
>help as they just get up people's noses and they'll use it as an
>example of "typical" 4x4 user behaviour at every opportunity.

Absolutely - 'help' like that we can all well do without. I'm ****ing
stunned that given the already politically hyped and media inspired
frenzy of anti 4x4 feeling that anyone could consider suggesting such
damaging actions in the first place.

>The
>best thing to do IMHO would be to contact the local GLASS
>representative as he or she will be familiar with the people involved
>in the process.

"local" in this case being (I believe) Graeme Wood or Dave White,
details on the GLASS site: http://www.glass-uk.org

 
Why do people continue to use the BAN word?

This should be BANNED!

For all those who will follow this thread, 4x4 owners or otherwise, we have
go to do something about this and do it now.

If anyone out there thinks that driving in the countryside wont get banned
then think again.

'They' already have much support from people in high places and now it's
getting onto the national news almost every MP in Westminster will be
jumping on the bandwagon.

If you enjoy driving in the countryside get out there and join the
associations as they will give a louder much more unified voice.

And if you enjoy walking in the countryside, as I do, then please recognise
that there is a lot of it out there, more than enough to go round for
everyone, and please think on, when will it be you turn to have something
you like doing banned? simply because someone else doesn't like it.

Going for a lie down now, cheers all, Roy.

"Mother" <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got back from Driffield when Simon from GLASS called.
>
> He got a call on his way home and has returned to Driffield as the BBC
> want to do a piece on the TROs in North Yorkshire - the piece is due
> to go out tomorrow lunchtime (Monday 16th May) - probably on the local
> 'Look North' news circa 1pm - I'll try to record it.
>


 
On Wed, 18 May 2005 18:54:06 +0000 (UTC), LR90 wrote:

> And if you enjoy walking in the countryside, as I do, then please
> recognise that there is a lot of it out there,

And very soon for walkers an *awful* lot more when the "Right to Roam"
finally becomes law.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On 2005-05-18, LR90 <[email protected]> wrote:

> And if you enjoy walking in the countryside, as I do, then please
> recognise that there is a lot of it out there, more than enough to
> go round for everyone, and please think on, when will it be you turn
> to have something you like doing banned? simply because someone
> else doesn't like it.

The Rambler's Association manifesto used to state that they would like
to ban horse-riding on bridleways too because they churn up the
surface.. I can't find any references to that any more on their
website, but if they win the off-roading battle it'll be the horse
riders next. I think they'll have a harder battle with that one
though so perhaps they've dropped the idea as unwinnable. Given that
horse-riding and 4x4 driving are two side of the same coin in my view
(a male/female difference), it's a shame the horse riders don't like
us either! Having said that at least one horse-riding association
(can't remember the name, association of british riders?) is aware of
the dangers and stated on their website that they don't support the
banning of 4x4 use as most damage is caused by farming and they don't
think that banning users from the countryside is a path they want to
tread. Some good sense there then.

--
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