Ex coporate repurchse, worth of buying

It's time to change my car, searched on land rover webiste approved used car. see a lot of 1 year old car at a very good price but it shows ex coporate repurchse. ( Range rover SDV6 and SDV8)
I was told by someone that some cars came from LR experince centre which is not worth of buying. called few dealers but all of them denied that the car from experience centre.
are those cars worth of buying ?

If they're at a 'very good price', its probably for a reason, especially if its a main dealer selling.
Pays your money, take's your chance.
If you're worried, steer clear of 'ex corporate' but personally, I'd be more concerned with the overall condition and evidence of maintenance.

With expensive cars like RRs, you pay your money and take your chances.

Just try to remember all that glitters might not be gold.

Also remember, that a £100K vehicle will continue to have maintenance costs of a £100K vehicle, even if it only cost you £10K to buy. This basically means anything from £1K to £3K each time you visit an LR main dealership for maintenance/ repairs.

potus said:

If they're at a 'very good price', its probably for a reason, especially if its a main dealer selling.
Pays your money, take's your chance.
If you're worried, steer clear of 'ex corporate' but personally, I'd be more concerned with the overall condition and evidence of maintenance.

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That's what I thought.
If a car's price is too good, it must be a reason, too good to be true.

potus said:

If they're at a 'very good price', its probably for a reason, especially if its a main dealer selling.
Pays your money, take's your chance.
If you're worried, steer clear of 'ex corporate' but personally, I'd be more concerned with the overall condition and evidence of maintenance.

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I agree with all of this. Go and have a look, if you don't know what you're looking for take someone who does. You might be surprised. If they are ragged to death, walk away.

If you can plug diagnostics in that the way to check. As long as you pay less than you can sell them for you should win, but then ask yourself - why haven’t they done that??

Worth looking at what the market trends are. Diesels generally are suffering and diesel saloons were becoming very good value, though SUVs and to a lesser extent estates were certainly very popular pre-CV19. The question is - has the market for very big, very expensive SUVs dropped post-CV19? They are products associated with economic prosperity, it may be that the downturn has affected prices and that there are bargains to be had. I would certainly expect that those that bought on PCP and are now redundant or furloughed would be passing their vehicles back to the dealer pronto. Shop around and see if prices overall have dropped.

One year or so cars have always been a good deal with at least 20% deprecation and no new vehicle tax or any VAT.
Now the motor trade is stalled with 95% plus of new vehicles unsold and parked up in fields and disused airdromes, it could be time to buy, but beware check the mileage, my local LR dealer sells one year old ex hire cars with at leased 14,000miles on the clock but they look as new, no stone chips or kerb rash wheels and a full LR warranty.

Also some company cars are leased and first registered with the supplying dealer, so with out any other indication of its use, the way I drove my company cars u would have thought they would destruct but never did, perhaps because they were Honda’s for the last 16 years and replaced just before their first MOT was due by the same dealer

discool said:

One year or so cars have always been a good deal with at least 20% deprecation and no new vehicle tax or any VAT.
Now the motor trade is stalled with 95% plus of new vehicles unsold and parked up in fields and disused airdromes, it could be time to buy, but beware check the mileage, my local LR dealer sells one year old ex hire cars with at leased 14,000miles on the clock but they look as new, no stone chips or kerb rash wheels and a full LR warranty.

Also some company cars are leased and first registered with the supplying dealer, so with out any other indication of its use, the way I drove my company cars u would have thought they would destruct but never did, perhaps because they were Honda’s for the last 16 years and replaced just before their first MOT was due by the same dealer

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It makes sense.
The car is 2019 reg (03/2019) only have 3000 miles on the clock, Range rover Vogue SE SDV6, brand new should be around 86k ( dealer said it's 90k whenit's new, but we always get discount). I can have it for £66500. it's not a bad deal.
I just worried about it's a ex experience centre's car, for the age and millege, i really doubt it IS. ( a leasing car usually has a high millege).
I was told by dealer that the car registered to LR itself at first place.
for the millege, i don't mind if it's a leasing comapny car, but I do mind it's experience car.

other one is a 2019 Range rover Vogue SE SDV8 with 3000 miles on clock, £73000. 69 reg. it was a privately owned car. honestly I doublt this car too because of the millege and the reg, it should be more than that. I heard before that some new car keep getting problem and the owner has to give back to LR dealer. I wish this car is just because owner doesn't like it, then exchange to a new car ( i was told by dealer that owner exchanged for a new defender)
Personaly i prefer the SDV8 one, but it located in Oxford ( I live in near manchester), it's 2 and half hrs away.

Both cars are from main dealers ( I only buy from main dealership, no matter it's Jag or RR, I think we have more confindence buying from them)

I bought a disco4 from a main dealership 3 years ago, I had no sense of experience car at that time. price is lower than market, 6000 miles on clock, it turned out to be a experience car, I found out eventually. it is okay, only few minor glitchs so far, but i don't think it is as good as private owned, whole condition is not great.
i don't like the idea because the dealer never told me the trueth ( they addmitted afterward).

If all looks okay with car Ask the dealer where it has been and exactly what has it been used for and by who, ask them to put it in writing, they should tell you if not walk away, if you have it in writing and it turns out it has been used for something else you can take it back and ask for money back

Ian M in France said:

If all looks okay with car Ask the dealer where it has been and exactly what has it been used for and by who, ask them to put it in writing, they should tell you if not walk away, if you have it in writing and it turns out it has been used for something else you can take it back and ask for money back

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That may be a good idea.
There are two kind of people's words you can never trust: builder & car dealer.
it's a shame.
In UK, contract should be as simple as a shaking hands and that's a deal. Unfortunately that time has long gone, we have to find out everything just like a detective, that shouldn't happen in UK.

In the many times past when I went to the Billing LR show u would see brand new LRs going a full speed into the muddy water hole and stalling, when then they were pulled out the whole engine bay was the same colour... mud
obviously a leased company car with a driver that had no intention of looking after it , I suppose that it would power wash off but it would never look new again if it ever starter again as they had a petrol engine, as a spectator i just left them to it and moved on.

A mate of mine never had a4x4 until he purchased a new super shiny red painted Defender 90, the first week end he took it in to a dry chalk pit, which we have a few in Kent, he was there for only an hour or so and there was so much chalk dust flying around the the Defender was white the dust, it was everywhere inside and out it even got inside the doors, he never got rid of the white smears left on the glass when closing, of course chalk is the basis for cement so when the chalk went hard underneath the vehicle over night, it was a mess remembering it was only a week old

He kept it for a year and sold it... well part x as that was the less hassle to get rid.
Someone must have purchased a shiny year old Defender that was full of white dust under the dash and inside the doors and a chassis and other stuff protected with cement.

Experience cars have most likely never been on road and all the miles will be off road. I'd not be put off one but I'd not be expecting it to be the same as a similar age company car that has spent its time on the M4.

goonarmy said:

Experience cars have most likely never been on road and all the miles will be off road. I'd not be put off one but I'd not be expecting it to be the same as a similar age company car that has spent its time on the M4.

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Company leasing car should be okay as long as the driver didn't abused it. for experience centre's car, honestly I won't touch it. As Discool mentioned, it never go back to the original glory once it was abused.
Hard to choose, some times just pay a big sum of money and take chance.

alan1973 said:

Company leasing car should be okay as long as the driver didn't abused it. for experience centre's car, honestly I won't touch it. As Discool mentioned, it never go back to the original glory once it was abused.
Hard to choose, some times just pay a big sum of money and take chance.

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Why wouldn't touch it? There's plenty on here that drool over a tomb raider style defender with lifts and tyres and winches. Do they believe that's been used for short runs to the shops by one lady owner? Be aware of what you are getting and expect the price to reflect the use but don't dismiss them. If you want a Chelsea tractor get one, but don't be surprised when you find out they use it every weekend to drag the massive horse box around Cheshire and and every summer to tow the yacht around between here and Monaco.

Buy five Nissan Micras for the same money. Dunt matter then if a couple are dogs.

This info comes from a few years ago but I believe the same is still happening.

LR provide vehicles for internal use MCP Management Company Policy where the driver is an employee. They keep it for 12 months then it goes into private auction. I've seen them as high as 20k miles but normally they're about 8 to 12k miles. They also have an internal pool fleet and requirements for users like the security team. Some are as lot as a few 1000 miles. Especially if they're a second car.

Ex LR management MCP vehicles do exist and will have their first registered keeper on the log book as:
Jaguar land rover limited, land rover company vehicle mcp, 125 heyford park, camp road, upper heyford, bicester, ox25 5ha.

The selling main dealer will have received the log book with the vehicle on the day the vehicle arrives at the dealership. The log book will have the top right section 9 cut out as this is sent to the dvla to advise them the vehicle is no longer owned by the original keeper. The dealer will also be able to get hold of the service history sheet and print this for you, if the vehicle eggsists. Some will blag they can't but they can. The mileage the vehicle has on the LR web site advert seems to be the same as that of the paperwork the dealer has, and the service sheet history, but the vehicle may physically have more miles on the dash. Not just delivery miles. Sometimes 300 miles even when the selling dealer is within 50 miles of where the first service took place by Paragon - after being taken off the MCP scheme.

Ex LR Assistance courtesy vehicles used as courtesy vehicles when yours is broke'd under warranty and will be first registered to Scott Group Ltd (Thrifty car rental) or whoever the lease agent at the time the vehicle was put on lease. The first registered keeper name and address on the log book should reflect this. They're available for use for 1 year then returned for auction. Multiple peeps will have had the use of them during this time as they're given to the next person who needs one once finished with. Or stored back at the leaser until needed.

Ex LR experience vehicles are more likely to be white than any other colour but not necessarily. If an experience vehicle fails and is taken back by LR (rolled, badly failed or needs too much work to get constant faults fixed etc) then LR only build to order for end user buyers or dealers who order for their own personal stock. Hence getting a quick replacement may be difficult at short notice so it's not unknown for experience centre's to have a none white LR experience vehicle. I've seen a blue D4 and red RR and the info I have put here is the history I was told about these vehicles by the experience centre. Taking a vehicle from the MCP pool is the only choice they have if a LR experience vehicle is taken out of use and needs replaced because there's demand for one as a demonstrator. New experience vehicles are ordered just like those for MCP, public buyers and dealers. So they still have to wait on the queue once they put their order in.

You may see paperwork with Paragon Fleet Services (or solutions) on it. They seem to provide the buy back service mechanism to LR, which includes MCP vehicles. They provide PDI pre delivery inspection checks (I've seen several service history sheets listing Paragon PDI at around 10 miles when the vehicle was new) and are also approved to carry out servicing (I've seen several at 6 to 14 months from new). For example you may see Paragon as the first service provider. It's interesting to see their address on the service history as follows which is the same as that for MCP vehicles above. I assume LR operate on the same site or at least have an office there. It may be Paragon sort out the MCP fleet for LR on their behalf.

Paragon Fleet Solutions Ltd
Bicester
OX25 5HA
United Kingdom

The details the LR main dealers get for each vehicle in the private auction includes what it was used for previously. MCP, experience or lease curtsey cars. A selling dealer must confirm this to you if you buy one and ask. LR doesn't like them lying about this and main dealers have had to take back vehicles for a full refund in the past where they have not been honest with what it was previously used for. LR insist this happens if the buyer was told wrong. Or at least they have in the past. Main dealers will also have their own stock which will have been privately owned by people who bought them (sale or contract sale like pcp etc), then traded them back to the dealer. They will also have sales demonstrators or cars used by their own staff as company cars. They may have curtsey cars of their own as well. Regardless of its previous use, they will be able to advise if asked.

If you want to save a Landy this poor fellow needs a good home.
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-5...726719?hash=item5b774f8f7f:g:FCYAAOSwsi5ezoxC
Nigs already been eyein it up

RangeRoller dt said:

If you want to save a Landy this poor fellow needs a good home.
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?pub=5575131138&toolid=10001&campid=5337717012&customid=&mpt=2664729&mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-LANDROVER-FREELANDER-XEI-S-WAGON-1-8-PETROL-5-SPEED-MANUAL-NO-KEYS/392843726719?hash=item5b774f8f7f:g:FCYAAOSwsi5ezoxC
Nigs already been eyein it up

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The abduction wagon in the photo makes me feel sad. Someone has had their hippo taken oft them.

Look at the positives - they are selling it rather than weighing it in