Engine choice - please help!

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Tim Hobbs

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I had a long chat with Warren yesterday about my plans to pull the
Discovery apart and use various bits in my Series 2. Now I'm really
spoilt for choice.

The options are

i) fit my 3.9, convert my R380 to long stick and swap the axles, plus
some kind of coil conversion to the chassis (it's a brand new
galvanised chassis on the S2)

ii) fit 3.9 to existing gearbox, use the Disco diffs to up the ratios
in the axles and fit good parabolics.

These two both require varying degrees of chassis mods and lots of
work, including wiring loom, engine mounts, front panel moving,
steering changes to accommodate the CV jointed hubs etc.

iii) fit a 200TDi which is currently on offer, again with Disco diffs.
The engine is known good, but very high miles. And it's diesel.

iv) fit a new 2.5 Turner Engineering petrol engine. Drops in and with
a good carb setup should be substantially better than the 3 bearing
2.25 petrol with minimal compression that is currently in there.

I don't really want to lose the look of the S2, nor do I want to
butcher it and go to coils. If I'm doing that I might as well torch a
write-off Rangie and put the Series body and my powertrain on it.

So current favourite looks like the Turner engine (or equivalent from
LEGS or whoever). Anyone got any experience with their full engines?

I don't know what I'm asking here really - just for opinions I
suppose!

Thanks


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I had a long chat with Warren yesterday about my plans to pull the
>Discovery apart and use various bits in my Series 2. Now I'm really
>spoilt for choice.
>
>The options are
>
>i) fit my 3.9, convert my R380 to long stick and swap the axles, plus
>some kind of coil conversion to the chassis (it's a brand new
>galvanised chassis on the S2)
>
>ii) fit 3.9 to existing gearbox, use the Disco diffs to up the ratios
>in the axles and fit good parabolics.
>
>These two both require varying degrees of chassis mods and lots of
>work, including wiring loom, engine mounts, front panel moving,
>steering changes to accommodate the CV jointed hubs etc.
>
>iii) fit a 200TDi which is currently on offer, again with Disco diffs.
>The engine is known good, but very high miles. And it's diesel.
>
>iv) fit a new 2.5 Turner Engineering petrol engine. Drops in and with
>a good carb setup should be substantially better than the 3 bearing
>2.25 petrol with minimal compression that is currently in there.
>
>I don't really want to lose the look of the S2, nor do I want to
>butcher it and go to coils. If I'm doing that I might as well torch a
>write-off Rangie and put the Series body and my powertrain on it.
>
>So current favourite looks like the Turner engine (or equivalent from
>LEGS or whoever). Anyone got any experience with their full engines?
>
>I don't know what I'm asking here really - just for opinions I
>suppose!

The 2.5 petrol would indeed be the least amount of work with it being
a striaght swap, and that does make it sound pretty appealing. More
expensive though since you dont have that engine already.

However, is it that much work to fit a 200tdi? Will a 200tdi mate
straight onto a standard gearbox?. The series box is the same pattern
as the LT77 (as fitted to 90's). If it does fit then that engine
becomes a nice simple option. More economical than a 2.5 and similar
performance (if not better?).

My mate has just put an automotive 2.5 petrol (or maybe its a 2.8?) in
his S3. It shifts pretty well now! He's got fancy cams and carbs and
exhaust too, and i think it should now be more powerful than a
standard v8 (and was a lot less work to put in).

He also put in a 5 speed 90 gearbox. Seems so much nicer than a
standard series box!. Makes it seem a lot more refined. I think that
the next item on the list of nice improvements for my own landy would
be a 5 speed box. even before a new engine. (fairly straight forward
to fit too, ignoring the permanent 4x4 issues)

What are you aiming at with your series?. Do you just want to make it
run, or do you want to improve it some more?
I've used mine as my everyday vehicle, and think that a better gearbox
would make it a lot nicer to drive (so i'd choose one of your options
that involved a gearbox swap, or add one using an LT77). I also prefer
the economy of the diesel engine, so would be tempted by the 200tdi.

 
Tim Hi,

if you decide you do not need the 3.9 Efi engine I may be interested for it
provided it comes complete with all bits like radiator, wiring loom, air
filter housing etc.

Take care
Pantelis Giamarellos
LAND ROVER CLUB OF GREECE

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I had a long chat with Warren yesterday about my plans to pull the
> >Discovery apart and use various bits in my Series 2. Now I'm really
> >spoilt for choice.
> >
> >The options are
> >
> >i) fit my 3.9, convert my R380 to long stick and swap the axles, plus
> >some kind of coil conversion to the chassis (it's a brand new
> >galvanised chassis on the S2)
> >
> >ii) fit 3.9 to existing gearbox, use the Disco diffs to up the ratios
> >in the axles and fit good parabolics.
> >
> >These two both require varying degrees of chassis mods and lots of
> >work, including wiring loom, engine mounts, front panel moving,
> >steering changes to accommodate the CV jointed hubs etc.
> >
> >iii) fit a 200TDi which is currently on offer, again with Disco diffs.
> >The engine is known good, but very high miles. And it's diesel.
> >
> >iv) fit a new 2.5 Turner Engineering petrol engine. Drops in and with
> >a good carb setup should be substantially better than the 3 bearing
> >2.25 petrol with minimal compression that is currently in there.
> >
> >I don't really want to lose the look of the S2, nor do I want to
> >butcher it and go to coils. If I'm doing that I might as well torch a
> >write-off Rangie and put the Series body and my powertrain on it.
> >
> >So current favourite looks like the Turner engine (or equivalent from
> >LEGS or whoever). Anyone got any experience with their full engines?
> >
> >I don't know what I'm asking here really - just for opinions I
> >suppose!
>
> The 2.5 petrol would indeed be the least amount of work with it being
> a striaght swap, and that does make it sound pretty appealing. More
> expensive though since you dont have that engine already.
>
> However, is it that much work to fit a 200tdi? Will a 200tdi mate
> straight onto a standard gearbox?. The series box is the same pattern
> as the LT77 (as fitted to 90's). If it does fit then that engine
> becomes a nice simple option. More economical than a 2.5 and similar
> performance (if not better?).
>
> My mate has just put an automotive 2.5 petrol (or maybe its a 2.8?) in
> his S3. It shifts pretty well now! He's got fancy cams and carbs and
> exhaust too, and i think it should now be more powerful than a
> standard v8 (and was a lot less work to put in).
>
> He also put in a 5 speed 90 gearbox. Seems so much nicer than a
> standard series box!. Makes it seem a lot more refined. I think that
> the next item on the list of nice improvements for my own landy would
> be a 5 speed box. even before a new engine. (fairly straight forward
> to fit too, ignoring the permanent 4x4 issues)
>
> What are you aiming at with your series?. Do you just want to make it
> run, or do you want to improve it some more?
> I've used mine as my everyday vehicle, and think that a better gearbox
> would make it a lot nicer to drive (so i'd choose one of your options
> that involved a gearbox swap, or add one using an LT77). I also prefer
> the economy of the diesel engine, so would be tempted by the 200tdi.
>


 
Tim hi again,

Actually I may be interested into buying the 3.9 engine and the gearbox and
transfer box out of your Discovery.

Please contact me direct at pantgATotenet.gr (replace AT with the known
symbol)

Take care
Pantelis

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I had a long chat with Warren yesterday about my plans to pull the
> >Discovery apart and use various bits in my Series 2. Now I'm really
> >spoilt for choice.
> >
> >The options are
> >
> >i) fit my 3.9, convert my R380 to long stick and swap the axles, plus
> >some kind of coil conversion to the chassis (it's a brand new
> >galvanised chassis on the S2)
> >
> >ii) fit 3.9 to existing gearbox, use the Disco diffs to up the ratios
> >in the axles and fit good parabolics.
> >
> >These two both require varying degrees of chassis mods and lots of
> >work, including wiring loom, engine mounts, front panel moving,
> >steering changes to accommodate the CV jointed hubs etc.
> >
> >iii) fit a 200TDi which is currently on offer, again with Disco diffs.
> >The engine is known good, but very high miles. And it's diesel.
> >
> >iv) fit a new 2.5 Turner Engineering petrol engine. Drops in and with
> >a good carb setup should be substantially better than the 3 bearing
> >2.25 petrol with minimal compression that is currently in there.
> >
> >I don't really want to lose the look of the S2, nor do I want to
> >butcher it and go to coils. If I'm doing that I might as well torch a
> >write-off Rangie and put the Series body and my powertrain on it.
> >
> >So current favourite looks like the Turner engine (or equivalent from
> >LEGS or whoever). Anyone got any experience with their full engines?
> >
> >I don't know what I'm asking here really - just for opinions I
> >suppose!
>
> The 2.5 petrol would indeed be the least amount of work with it being
> a striaght swap, and that does make it sound pretty appealing. More
> expensive though since you dont have that engine already.
>
> However, is it that much work to fit a 200tdi? Will a 200tdi mate
> straight onto a standard gearbox?. The series box is the same pattern
> as the LT77 (as fitted to 90's). If it does fit then that engine
> becomes a nice simple option. More economical than a 2.5 and similar
> performance (if not better?).
>
> My mate has just put an automotive 2.5 petrol (or maybe its a 2.8?) in
> his S3. It shifts pretty well now! He's got fancy cams and carbs and
> exhaust too, and i think it should now be more powerful than a
> standard v8 (and was a lot less work to put in).
>
> He also put in a 5 speed 90 gearbox. Seems so much nicer than a
> standard series box!. Makes it seem a lot more refined. I think that
> the next item on the list of nice improvements for my own landy would
> be a 5 speed box. even before a new engine. (fairly straight forward
> to fit too, ignoring the permanent 4x4 issues)
>
> What are you aiming at with your series?. Do you just want to make it
> run, or do you want to improve it some more?
> I've used mine as my everyday vehicle, and think that a better gearbox
> would make it a lot nicer to drive (so i'd choose one of your options
> that involved a gearbox swap, or add one using an LT77). I also prefer
> the economy of the diesel engine, so would be tempted by the 200tdi.
>


 
On or around Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I had a long chat with Warren yesterday about my plans to pull the
>Discovery apart and use various bits in my Series 2. Now I'm really
>spoilt for choice.
>

remind me why are you pulling apart the disco?

oh, and are you open to offers on the R380 if you don't use it in the
series?

better gearbox would be handy for mine. well, and T-box, too. especially
if it's a cross-drilled-gear type one.

Anyone who's got a decent one such and prepared to part with it for
reasonable money, as well - I'm assuming that the R380/LT230 combo is a
more-or-less straight swap for a LT77/LT230 here.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)
 
On or around Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

mean to say go with the 2.5 in the series, unless you fancy one of those 2.8
conversions, and can afford it - alleged to give V8-style power/torque.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:45:25 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>mean to say go with the 2.5 in the series, unless you fancy one of those 2.8
>conversions, and can afford it - alleged to give V8-style power/torque.

Where are these 2.8 engines? I know about the 2.8 variant of the
300TDi, but didn't realise there was a petrol option.

Warren reckons I should fetch £1500 at least for the engine and
transmission. It is just rebuilt with new cams, lifters etc and it is
very clean indeed for a 130,000 mile unit. A good advert for proper
servicing I guess!

To answer Tom's point, I've been giving the 'what do I want from this
truck' question some thought. I originally fancied a big, powerful
V8, but I think that would probably be a horrible mess without coils
and good brakes and handling kit etc. So now I think I want a decent,
modernised S2, still true to the overall look and philosophy. So good
engine on good chassis, followed by disk brake conversion, PAS
conversion etc in due course.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
Tim Hi,

the 2.8 petrol engine is in fact a BMW engine, straight eight cylinder.
It was a South African Land Rover production model but it required some
serious job in order to make it fit the manual gearbox, adapt the
electronics and make the ancillaries fit properly.

Mind you though the way it drove and the fuel consumption were an
astonishing improvement over the 3.9 Efi LR engine.

Take care
Pantelis

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:45:25 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On or around Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
> ><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >mean to say go with the 2.5 in the series, unless you fancy one of those
2.8
> >conversions, and can afford it - alleged to give V8-style power/torque.
>
> Where are these 2.8 engines? I know about the 2.8 variant of the
> 300TDi, but didn't realise there was a petrol option.
>
> Warren reckons I should fetch £1500 at least for the engine and
> transmission. It is just rebuilt with new cams, lifters etc and it is
> very clean indeed for a 130,000 mile unit. A good advert for proper
> servicing I guess!
>
> To answer Tom's point, I've been giving the 'what do I want from this
> truck' question some thought. I originally fancied a big, powerful
> V8, but I think that would probably be a horrible mess without coils
> and good brakes and handling kit etc. So now I think I want a decent,
> modernised S2, still true to the overall look and philosophy. So good
> engine on good chassis, followed by disk brake conversion, PAS
> conversion etc in due course.
>
>
> --
>
> Tim Hobbs
>
> '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
> '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
> '95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
> '03 Volvo V70
>
> My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
> Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
> Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com


 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:13:45 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:45:25 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On or around Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>mean to say go with the 2.5 in the series, unless you fancy one of those 2.8
>>conversions, and can afford it - alleged to give V8-style power/torque.
>
>Where are these 2.8 engines? I know about the 2.8 variant of the
>300TDi, but didn't realise there was a petrol option.

Automotive sell them. Thats the one my mate has that i mentioned in my
post. http://www.automotivecomp.com/landrover_perf.html 'Power plus
2.8 engine' about 2/3rds of the way down that page. I cant find a
price for it though, but i think a couple of grand would be about it.

They reckon 117bhp. comes with their fancy SU carb and manifold and
fancy cam on it too. This is more power than the v8 in the 101 isnt
it?

>To answer Tom's point, I've been giving the 'what do I want from this
>truck' question some thought. I originally fancied a big, powerful
>V8, but I think that would probably be a horrible mess without coils
>and good brakes and handling kit etc. So now I think I want a decent,
>modernised S2, still true to the overall look and philosophy. So good
>engine on good chassis, followed by disk brake conversion, PAS
>conversion etc in due course.

Sounds like the start of a plan!. Kinda what i've been trying to do
with mine. I've just put a servo and LWB front brakes on and it now
stops better than my car, which is nice!

 

"> Automotive sell them. Thats the one my mate has that i mentioned in my
> post. http://www.automotivecomp.com/landrover_perf.html 'Power plus
> 2.8 engine' about 2/3rds of the way down that page. I cant find a
> price for it though, but i think a couple of grand would be about it.
>
>

Forgot about it.
But on the other hand at a couple of grants you can get yourself three
secondhand 3.9 Efi engines and still have some change for your beers to be
consumed during the installation of the engine in your series vehicle.

Take care
Pantelis



 
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> writes:

> So current favourite looks like the Turner engine (or equivalent from
> LEGS or whoever). Anyone got any experience with their full engines?

I've not bought a full engine from Turner, but I did buy a 200Tdi
crankshaft + mains, big ends and various belts seals etc from them.

They were excellent: friendly, knowledgeable and helpful. They are at
the top of my list for similar jobs. No connection except as a
satisfied customer.

Pete

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"Just another crouton, floating on the bouillabaisse of life"
 
On or around Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:13:45 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Where are these 2.8 engines? I know about the 2.8 variant of the
>300TDi, but didn't realise there was a petrol option.

erm...
I should know the answer to that, as I got onto them once. It's rather a
serious re-work of the 2.5, with a long-throw crank and special short
pistons, and a choice, IIRC, of heads.

darnit. I was sure I had email from them, but I can't find it. 'twas one
of the types that advertise in LRO etc., I don't think it was Turners.

can't find it right now. It might be that no-one bought 'em, so they've
stopped doing it - it was quite pricey.

aha!!

http://www.automotivecomp.com/landrover_perf.html

scroll down a bit to find "2.8 engine", they're about 2 grand though.

"This unit is based on the 5 main bearing 2.25 or the
2.5 engine. It features 95 x 97 mm bore / stroke and
is supplied as a stripped unit with the Stage 2 Head,
Power Plus © SU carb and Camshaft. Where it replace
a 3 main bearing unit the parts (Fly wheel etc.) required
to convert can be added. For customers who have already
some or all of the Power Plus © system installed on their
Land Rover, in most cases this can be re used.

Power Plus © 2.8 Stripped Engine with Stage2 Head SU carb
and Camshaft produces the following output:

177 FtLb @ 2300 RPM 117 BHP @ 4100 RPM."
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On or around Mon, 26 Jul 2004 01:43:42 +0300, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Tim Hi,
>
>the 2.8 petrol engine is in fact a BMW engine, straight eight cylinder.
>It was a South African Land Rover production model but it required some
>serious job in order to make it fit the manual gearbox, adapt the
>electronics and make the ancillaries fit properly.

the BMW is a straight 6, and isn't what I meant. see other post for what i
*did* mean, located eventually after about 10 minutes hunting through old
emails.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On or around Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:26:04 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>It is on the site, just a bit hidden.
>
>2.8 Power Plus © engine (117 BHP) Series 2A/3/90/110 £2846 exch
>
>That's a grand more than Turner want for a standard engine. 117 bhp
>is hardly rocketship, but then again Turner won't quote a power figure
>for their engines at all.
>
>117bhp seems to fall between two stools - if I want big performance
>then the V8 option seems more sensible, if I want smooth and reliable
>then an overbored 2.25 is perhaps not so great.

the main thing the powerplus does is generate rafts-full of torque.

177 FtLb @ 2300 RPM 117 BHP @ 4100 RPM. is what they quote.

Mind, the 2.8 powerstroke diesel makes even more. I'd love one of them in a
disco. Trouble is they cost lots of $$.



--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25
 
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I had a long chat with Warren yesterday about my plans to pull the
>Discovery apart and use various bits in my Series 2. Now I'm really
>spoilt for choice.
>
>The options are
>
>i) fit my 3.9, convert my R380 to long stick and swap the axles, plus
>some kind of coil conversion to the chassis (it's a brand new
>galvanised chassis on the S2)
>
>ii) fit 3.9 to existing gearbox, use the Disco diffs to up the ratios
>in the axles and fit good parabolics.
>
>These two both require varying degrees of chassis mods and lots of
>work, including wiring loom, engine mounts, front panel moving,
>steering changes to accommodate the CV jointed hubs etc.
>
>iii) fit a 200TDi which is currently on offer, again with Disco diffs.
>The engine is known good, but very high miles. And it's diesel.
>
>iv) fit a new 2.5 Turner Engineering petrol engine. Drops in and with
>a good carb setup should be substantially better than the 3 bearing
>2.25 petrol with minimal compression that is currently in there.
>
>I don't really want to lose the look of the S2, nor do I want to
>butcher it and go to coils. If I'm doing that I might as well torch a
>write-off Rangie and put the Series body and my powertrain on it.
>
>So current favourite looks like the Turner engine (or equivalent from
>LEGS or whoever). Anyone got any experience with their full engines?
>
>I don't know what I'm asking here really - just for opinions I
>suppose!

The 2.5 petrol would indeed be the least amount of work with it being
a striaght swap, and that does make it sound pretty appealing. More
expensive though since you dont have that engine already.

However, is it that much work to fit a 200tdi? Will a 200tdi mate
straight onto a standard gearbox?. The series box is the same pattern
as the LT77 (as fitted to 90's). If it does fit then that engine
becomes a nice simple option. More economical than a 2.5 and similar
performance (if not better?).

My mate has just put an automotive 2.5 petrol (or maybe its a 2.8?) in
his S3. It shifts pretty well now! He's got fancy cams and carbs and
exhaust too, and i think it should now be more powerful than a
standard v8 (and was a lot less work to put in).

He also put in a 5 speed 90 gearbox. Seems so much nicer than a
standard series box!. Makes it seem a lot more refined. I think that
the next item on the list of nice improvements for my own landy would
be a 5 speed box. even before a new engine. (fairly straight forward
to fit too, ignoring the permanent 4x4 issues)

What are you aiming at with your series?. Do you just want to make it
run, or do you want to improve it some more?
I've used mine as my everyday vehicle, and think that a better gearbox
would make it a lot nicer to drive (so i'd choose one of your options
that involved a gearbox swap, or add one using an LT77). I also prefer
the economy of the diesel engine, so would be tempted by the 200tdi.

 
On or around Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I had a long chat with Warren yesterday about my plans to pull the
>Discovery apart and use various bits in my Series 2. Now I'm really
>spoilt for choice.
>

remind me why are you pulling apart the disco?

oh, and are you open to offers on the R380 if you don't use it in the
series?

better gearbox would be handy for mine. well, and T-box, too. especially
if it's a cross-drilled-gear type one.

Anyone who's got a decent one such and prepared to part with it for
reasonable money, as well - I'm assuming that the R380/LT230 combo is a
more-or-less straight swap for a LT77/LT230 here.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"My centre is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent.
I shall attack. - Marshal Foch (1851 - 1929)
 
On or around Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

mean to say go with the 2.5 in the series, unless you fancy one of those 2.8
conversions, and can afford it - alleged to give V8-style power/torque.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Tim hi again,

Actually I may be interested into buying the 3.9 engine and the gearbox and
transfer box out of your Discovery.

Please contact me direct at pantgATotenet.gr (replace AT with the known
symbol)

Take care
Pantelis

"Tom Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I had a long chat with Warren yesterday about my plans to pull the
> >Discovery apart and use various bits in my Series 2. Now I'm really
> >spoilt for choice.
> >
> >The options are
> >
> >i) fit my 3.9, convert my R380 to long stick and swap the axles, plus
> >some kind of coil conversion to the chassis (it's a brand new
> >galvanised chassis on the S2)
> >
> >ii) fit 3.9 to existing gearbox, use the Disco diffs to up the ratios
> >in the axles and fit good parabolics.
> >
> >These two both require varying degrees of chassis mods and lots of
> >work, including wiring loom, engine mounts, front panel moving,
> >steering changes to accommodate the CV jointed hubs etc.
> >
> >iii) fit a 200TDi which is currently on offer, again with Disco diffs.
> >The engine is known good, but very high miles. And it's diesel.
> >
> >iv) fit a new 2.5 Turner Engineering petrol engine. Drops in and with
> >a good carb setup should be substantially better than the 3 bearing
> >2.25 petrol with minimal compression that is currently in there.
> >
> >I don't really want to lose the look of the S2, nor do I want to
> >butcher it and go to coils. If I'm doing that I might as well torch a
> >write-off Rangie and put the Series body and my powertrain on it.
> >
> >So current favourite looks like the Turner engine (or equivalent from
> >LEGS or whoever). Anyone got any experience with their full engines?
> >
> >I don't know what I'm asking here really - just for opinions I
> >suppose!
>
> The 2.5 petrol would indeed be the least amount of work with it being
> a striaght swap, and that does make it sound pretty appealing. More
> expensive though since you dont have that engine already.
>
> However, is it that much work to fit a 200tdi? Will a 200tdi mate
> straight onto a standard gearbox?. The series box is the same pattern
> as the LT77 (as fitted to 90's). If it does fit then that engine
> becomes a nice simple option. More economical than a 2.5 and similar
> performance (if not better?).
>
> My mate has just put an automotive 2.5 petrol (or maybe its a 2.8?) in
> his S3. It shifts pretty well now! He's got fancy cams and carbs and
> exhaust too, and i think it should now be more powerful than a
> standard v8 (and was a lot less work to put in).
>
> He also put in a 5 speed 90 gearbox. Seems so much nicer than a
> standard series box!. Makes it seem a lot more refined. I think that
> the next item on the list of nice improvements for my own landy would
> be a 5 speed box. even before a new engine. (fairly straight forward
> to fit too, ignoring the permanent 4x4 issues)
>
> What are you aiming at with your series?. Do you just want to make it
> run, or do you want to improve it some more?
> I've used mine as my everyday vehicle, and think that a better gearbox
> would make it a lot nicer to drive (so i'd choose one of your options
> that involved a gearbox swap, or add one using an LT77). I also prefer
> the economy of the diesel engine, so would be tempted by the 200tdi.
>


 
Tim Hi,

the 2.8 petrol engine is in fact a BMW engine, straight eight cylinder.
It was a South African Land Rover production model but it required some
serious job in order to make it fit the manual gearbox, adapt the
electronics and make the ancillaries fit properly.

Mind you though the way it drove and the fuel consumption were an
astonishing improvement over the 3.9 Efi LR engine.

Take care
Pantelis

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:45:25 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On or around Sun, 25 Jul 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Tim Hobbs
> ><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >mean to say go with the 2.5 in the series, unless you fancy one of those
2.8
> >conversions, and can afford it - alleged to give V8-style power/torque.
>
> Where are these 2.8 engines? I know about the 2.8 variant of the
> 300TDi, but didn't realise there was a petrol option.
>
> Warren reckons I should fetch £1500 at least for the engine and
> transmission. It is just rebuilt with new cams, lifters etc and it is
> very clean indeed for a 130,000 mile unit. A good advert for proper
> servicing I guess!
>
> To answer Tom's point, I've been giving the 'what do I want from this
> truck' question some thought. I originally fancied a big, powerful
> V8, but I think that would probably be a horrible mess without coils
> and good brakes and handling kit etc. So now I think I want a decent,
> modernised S2, still true to the overall look and philosophy. So good
> engine on good chassis, followed by disk brake conversion, PAS
> conversion etc in due course.
>
>
> --
>
> Tim Hobbs
>
> '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
> '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
> '95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
> '03 Volvo V70
>
> My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
> Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
> Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com


 

"> Automotive sell them. Thats the one my mate has that i mentioned in my
> post. http://www.automotivecomp.com/landrover_perf.html 'Power plus
> 2.8 engine' about 2/3rds of the way down that page. I cant find a
> price for it though, but i think a couple of grand would be about it.
>
>

Forgot about it.
But on the other hand at a couple of grants you can get yourself three
secondhand 3.9 Efi engines and still have some change for your beers to be
consumed during the installation of the engine in your series vehicle.

Take care
Pantelis



 
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