Crazy Timing V8, direction of advance.

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Hi, I'll try and best explain this.

Originally on my pulley wheel there was no timing marks, except for a white line marking TDC. I bought after market tape so I could set the timing with what I hoped was a bit more precision. In the mean time the engine was fitted with new piston rings.

On my pulley wheel tape I have ATDC, TDC and BTDC. BTDC is to the right of the TDC. I've seen a lot of pictures of this.

However when I fit a timing light and connect it to number one cylinder my timing mark is way into BTDC, it will run ok with anything from 20 to 30 BTDC. That's the first strange part.

The really strange thing is that when it advances it does so to the left. I expected it to move to the right. Its the advance to the left that I find really crazy. It looks like its moving into 15 degress BTDC from 30. The engine sounds great, but I do have a very high idle. I just fitted an rpm guage that run's off coil. It's telling me i'm idleing at 1000 rpm. I believe it should be around 600. It will idle at 600 on a cold start.

Every pulley wheel that I can seen in google has BTDC to the right TDC.
 
Hi, I'll try and best explain this.

Originally on my pulley wheel there was no timing marks, except for a white line marking TDC. I bought after market tape so I could set the timing with what I hoped was a bit more precision. In the mean time the engine was fitted with new piston rings.

On my pulley wheel tape I have ATDC, TDC and BTDC. BTDC is to the right of the TDC. I've seen a lot of pictures of this.

However when I fit a timing light and connect it to number one cylinder my timing mark is way into BTDC, it will run ok with anything from 20 to 30 BTDC. That's the first strange part.

The really strange thing is that when it advances it does so to the left. I expected it to move to the right. Its the advance to the left that I find really crazy. It looks like its moving into 15 degress BTDC from 30. The engine sounds great, but I do have a very high idle. I just fitted an rpm guage that run's off coil. It's telling me i'm idleing at 1000 rpm. I believe it should be around 600. It will idle at 600 on a cold start.

Every pulley wheel that I can seen in google has BTDC to the right TDC.
if your looking at the pulley and tdc is 12 oclock btdc is to the right ie clockwise and atdc to the left ,are you sure your twisting the dizzy the right way for advance
 
Hi James, I'm not even adjusting the dizzy. This is observing the advance with the timing light. I've read that the Rover V8 should have around 15 degree's mechanical advance. Indeed mine does, but it advances to the left in the direction of the above ATDC anti-clockwise. I thought it would advance to the right clockwise, with the timing having more BTDC. The spark igniting earlier to meet the faster moving piston. The engine had been fitted with electronic ignition when I got it. I've checked the polarity of the coil and amplifier and I believe its correct. I wonder if it has something to do with the signal coming from the hall effect sensor. It just has two black wires and no polarity is mentioned. Its either strange or I just don't understand what "Mechanical Advance" means in terms of the timing advancing mechanically within the dizzy. Its either that or my timing gun is broken. Though its practically brand new.
 
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The engine seems to run great with the current timing. However I do get the odd spark jumping from the coil output to the negative terminal of the coil. This only seems to happen when the engine is hot. I have switched to non resistor spark plugs. I put this down to a bad ground on the engine, though I wonder if the two things aren't connected in some way. I'll test the engine ground tomorrow with the potential drop test on the block.
 
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