CharlesY's Injection Pump Timing Method

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Hello,

Does anybody know where CharlesY's topic on injection pump timing is please? I've been looking for 20 mins but can't find the article that I need.

Basically got a bit of excessive engine smoke (only when revving) and slight diesel clatter. Which way do I turn the pump to retard / advance the timing? Totally forgotten which way it is! :eek:

Cheers
-Pos
 
is this it?


Good lad ....

Remember, FIRST blast on clear timing marks NOW before you undo anything!
These will be YOUR timing marks.
Scribe good marks on the pump flange and the timing cover casing so you can always get back to where you are now. That's the worst it can get.

You do NOT need to pin the pump, lock the flywheel or any of that stuff for this job. You only need to do that when timing the pump from "first principles" and you are not doing that. You are "fine tuning" the timing, and that is a process that is NEVER undertaken by the engine makers or service dealers. They don't care about you, their fitters don't have the skills, and they won't be driving the cars, so why would they bother?

They just set all engines to fixed marks, and send them out. This means that some will be OK, some a bit better, and some really lousy. They just don't care.

But you have the time, the inclination and the incentive ..... so GO ! You might be amazed how well you can get your motor running if you sort the timing out exactly right for YOUR engine.

After you have marked the pump and casing, sort out the spanners you will need. Carry them with you in a wee bag.

Every time you make any adjustment, you will be rotating the whole injection pump about 1 to 2 mm on the flange one way or the other. Try to move it in small steps about that much each time.

You MUST loosen all 4 injector pipes at BOTH ENDS, just enough to let the pipes move a tad, and then loosen the three pump flange nuts just enough to let the pump move. There may also be a longer nut and bolt to loosen at the bracket to the rear of the pump. DO NOT loosen any more than you need to. Move the pump as required, and it should move easily. Check the marks are now 1 to 2mm apart, and clamp the three pump flange nuts snugly. Don't over-tighten them. Now nip up the injection pipes at the bottom end, and whirl the motor over on the starter till fuel spits at each injector pipe end. Tighten at the injector pipes. Start up, and test drive.

When the engine is warm, deck the pedal at low revs and you will know instantly if the clatter is cured. If it is, you will probably find that the engine goes a lot better than before. If it still clatters, it will be less, so repeat the adjustment. The nearer you get to "feeling good", make smaller moves of the pump.

To ADVANCE the timing move the top of the pump TOWARDS the engine.
To RETARD the timing move the top of the pump AWAY FROM the engine.

If the engine clatters loudly when you deck the pedal, RETARD the timing a little. ONE move of 2mm could easily be enough to do it.

Basically, what you want is the engine timing set JUST before the clatter starts, by the smallest amount. Generally that will be the best setting for power and economy, and many of you may be pleasantly surprised at the outcome if you try this. It might just take you half a dozen sessions, small moves at a time, but it will be worth it.

How about you rush out and do this and let us all know how it pans out?

CharlesY
 
:D No!!! I searched for 'injection pump timing' in advanced search and then in the find posts by box I put 'CharlesY'. It just showed up a load of my posts, so dug around for ages and still couldn't find it. Off to tweak now anyways!

Cheers
-Pos
 
Haha,

I'm in trouble now though. Diesel clatter has stopped, no smoke and still goes like **** off a stick but I can't get the bleed nut to tighten up and have a feeling that I've stripped the thread (almost definitely). Is the thread on the pump likely to have gone or is it more likely the nut that's knackered? What can I do to remedy this, fuel is coming out!

What will happen if I totally remove the nut to check it's condition!?

Cheers
-Pos
 
me neeva

guess the only way to find out is to remove it.

if it's the pump that's stripped, I guess you're looking at -
drilling and re-tapping a size bigger
getting it helicoiled
if there's still some viable thread left, you could try putting the nut back with ptfe tape or chemical metal on the threads.
 
yer dint wanna be tapping that , if yer get any, even the smallest bit of swarf in there yer reet up Scheiße Straße.
i'd try the ptfe tape furst
 
It is an alloy body then with a steel nut? If I take the nut completely off diesel isn't going to surge out is it? I'd like to think that it's not stripped! Tis a weird little nut with like a bolt sticking out of the top too.
 
Local mechanic gave me a set of mole grips and told me to get the nut out. 2 mins later had it done, new hole drilled and tapped with new short bolt and o ring. £5, job done! No aluminium went into the fuel luckily but I'm sure a little flake would have floated anyways, so all is well :)
 
i int familarwith the insides of yer pump but even the smallest bit of crud , not just metal crud neither can cause problems inside of stuff with small tolerances
 
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