Changes to the MOT - bad news for de-cat pipes...

Was round at my garage earlier today and just happened to mention that I was thinking of changing on the exhaust on my 110 TD5 to remove the cat and the centre box. I was told in no uncertain terms that if I did, I would fail the MOT at the next test, as the rules change on 1.1.2012 and if a vehicle built after the appropriate date (1995 I think...) was found not to be fitted with a Cat it would automatically fail...
Just thought I would pass this on to see if anyone else has heard this???

I read about the same subject a while ago in one of the mags ,i was thinking of fitting a cat free system next year when my td5 disco is ten years old.Looks like a no no.

Heard nothing about this tbh.

Suspect it's a load of cobblers.

Matt TDi said:

Heard nothing about this tbh.

Suspect it's a load of cobblers.

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its been doing the rounds on a few forums for some time, there are several MOT changes being introduced this is just one of them

tow bar electrics also are included as well as LPG systems

Sarisen (an MOT tester) posted on LRO forum a fair bit of info....

http://www.lro.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74266

Cheers Steve

PAH!!!


I'll be keeping mine as it is until told by sed authority

I know there are some changes, I heard about a few of them, just not this.

I think most people with de-cat pipes either refit a cat at mot time, or are friendly with their mot tester anyway.

I'm still taking it as BS until I see it in official B&W mind.

Not that it matters to me, my Defender was a pre cat fitted model on a W plate anyway.

PAH!!!


I'll be keeping mine as it is until told by sed authority

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That will be your next MOT then - had my re-test last Wednesday on my Disco (just a headlight & back tyres) and the owner of the next MOT, a 52 plate 110, basically got told as soon as he stopped & got out of the vehicle by the tester to go back home & refit his CAT or he was wasting his £50 and time since he was getting a fail certificate if he didn't.


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A strenuous debate then ensued which resulted in the MOT getting done and, as stated, a fail certificate being issued,

I'm surprised that you haven't come across this before, it's been on here several times and it's definitely coming. You've either got to have a pre cat engine (note engine not vehicle) fit a cat for the test or, if you can put up with the weird noise, empty your cat and keep the shell fitted.
Even if you do get through without it once when it's new to the tester I'd doubt if you'll get through a second time.

Matt TDi said:

I'm still taking it as BS until I see it in official B&W mind.
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Here is a link to the black and white VOSA special instruction to garages letting them know they need extra equipment to test trailer sockets and LPG systems

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Special%20Notice%2001-11.pdf

and here is the link to the new Jan 2012 MOT manual, section 7 covers the need for a cat...

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT%20Inspection%20Manual.pdf

conveniently also black and white as per your request lol

Cheers Steve

stanners said:

if I did, I would fail the MOT at the next test, .....

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Have they started doing MOT's north of the Great Glen then?

Mine was MOT'd in July and it passed with no cat, so as far as I'm concerned its fine, and as the local MOT place specialises in landrovers and the like it should be ok as the amount of de-cat landrovers in the area must be huge

Amazingly yes! I took this seriously because the guys I use really know their stuff and have never given me duff information before - plus the fact they had been reading the missive from the DfT at lunchtime!!!

I just fitted my de-cat pipe last weekend.....

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bought mine last w/e - its in the garage - it might stay there .

this is my MOT tester

ebbadger said:

Here is a link to the black and white VOSA special instruction to garages letting them know they need extra equipment to test trailer sockets and LPG systems

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Special Notice 01-11.pdf

and here is the link to the new Jan 2012 MOT manual, section 7 covers the need for a cat...

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MOT Inspection Manual.pdf

conveniently also black and white as per your request lol

Cheers Steve

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I've just read section 7 of the MOT manual and the references to CATs are all in the spark ignition engines section. There is no mention of CATs in the compression ignition section so unless I missed something this debate only applies to petrol and LPG vehicles not diesels.

waldershelf said:

I've just read section 7 of the MOT manual and the references to CATs are all in the spark ignition engines section. There is no mention of CATs in the compression ignition section so unless I missed something this debate only applies to petrol and LPG vehicles not diesels.

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Think if you check again you will see the CAT requirement is mentioned clearly in 7.1 which is all vehicles

section 7.3 applies to spark ignition emmision readings for Cat and non Cat not fitment as this is covered in the all vehicle 7.1

section 7.4 applies to the diesel smoke test again not fitment of a cat as this is covered in the all vehicle 7.1

Cheers Steve

ebbadger said:

Think if you check again you will see the CAT requirement is mentioned clearly in 7.1 which is all vehicles

section 7.3 applies to spark ignition emmision readings for Cat and non Cat not fitment as this is covered in the all vehicle 7.1

section 7.4 applies to the diesel smoke test again not fitment of a cat as this is covered in the all vehicle 7.1

Cheers Steve

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Not wanting to be too pedantic on this but I guess it is very important to some on here, in section 7.1 point 3 it states:-

"On vehicles that qualify for a full cat emissions test, check the presence of the catalytic converter."

Do diesels "qualify" for a full cat emissions test? Section 7.4 only refers to a smoke test and the appropriate approved test equipment, unlike section 7.3 for spark ignition engines which has a specific section for the cat test.

Then to muddy the waters even further in section 7.1 in the "reasons for rejection" column point 3 it states "A catalityc converter missing where one was fitted as standard"

the cheers steve bits the worst part of that post

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