Anyone have a 200di series 3 ?

If anyone has a series 3 diesel with a 200 di or 200 tdi engine, could they just put there opinions below as i am thinking of putting a 200 di into my series 3, to replace the 2.25 diesel thats in it.
I have been told its much easier to fit the 200 engine without the turbo and its more reliable. What i need to know is what sort of performance it will give and will it be reliable ?

Lwb or swb.

graham
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03 d2 td5 auto e.s.

88

pointless fitting it as a Di as the compression ratio is lower for a turbk can be argued that its less stressed but it will produce much less power than its designed to and personally I'd prefer having the turbo

I have a 200Tdi in my 88" Series III with the turbo and intercooler. I've beed using it as my daily drive for the past 6 months. With 80% more power than the standard diesel engine, the vehicle is transformed. It's fun having the extra power - 200 ftlbs of torque and rear wheel drive can make roundabouts entertaining, but it also makes it much more relaxing to dive because it's easy to keep up with the traffic flow and you don't need to thrash the engine. I've had no problems with broken halfshafts or gearboxes as many scaremongerers like to suggest will happen.

I'm not knocking doing an installation without the turbo though. It would be much easier and cheaper to do it this way. I'm not too sure about the argument that the compression of the Tdi engine is too low for it to work properly without a turbo. The 200Tdi compression ratio is 19.5:1 and the 2.5 Di non turbo Ford Transit engine of the same era has a compression ratio of 19:1. I don't have any experience of a de turboed 200Tdi, but I know someone who has one and he says it works really well - much better than a standard 2.25 diesel or even a 2.25 petrol.

Have a read of these....

Putting a Disco 200TDi engine in a 90 - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum

Converting a Series Land Rover to a 200 tdi engine

http://www.muddy-tyres.net/standard.aspx?page_id=8

not saying it won't work just that its power output would be awful compared to it with the turbo. What you will have is a very very understressed engine albeit with not much power output. The extra effort and hassel would be well worth it for the extra power. Fact is I wouldn't fit a 200di over a decent less hassel 2.5na.

Don't you need to relocate the offside chassis engine mount with the Land-Rover 2.5 NA diesel? No need for that with the 200Di. The 200Di should be more economical as it's a direct injection type while the 2.5NA is indirect. Agreed it's worth keeping the turbo though as long as you can spare the time and extra expense.

relocate chassis mount? First I've heared of it. Anyway reckon all the effort it'd be well worth it spitfiremk1uk is putting a disco engine in his 88 inch rebuild anyway will pass on any relavent info as I find out.

jai_landrover said:

relocate chassis mount? First I've heared of it.

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I'm not 100% sure of it, 'cos I don't have any experience with the 2.5 NA engine, but I have read several times that it's necessary because of the low mounting of the fuel pump - perhaps it's a myth. What I've heard is that a derivative of the 2.5NA Land-Rover diesel engine fitted to a Sherpa van will go onto the standard series engine chassis mounts, but that has the disadvantage of not having a sealed timing case.

2.5na is the LR version with a sealed timing case not much difference apart from timing cover. You can obviously fit the sherpa version that had a timing chain but lose the fact that it is sealed. Spyderman has a 2.5na fitted in his series 3. the above has an almost identical block as the early series blocks hence why they can bolt on the mounts. I would prefer one of these above over a 2.5di any day.

jai_landrover said:

2.5na is the LR version with a sealed timing case not much difference apart from timing cover. You can obviously fit the sherpa version that had a timing chain but lose the fact that it is sealed. Spyderman has a 2.5na fitted in his series 3. the above has an almost identical block as the early series blocks hence why they can bolt on the mounts. I would prefer one of these above over a 2.5di any day.

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So does Spyderman have the proper Land-Rover 2.5NA engine with the sealed timing case in his series III, and did it go onto the standard chassis engine mounts?

I believe so

I've just been doing a bit of gooling and found this:

Lightweight Land Rover Club • View topic - Diesel engine conversion..

Even if I'm right about this, I suppose it's swings and roundabouts, whether you go for a 2.5NA or a 200di - The 200di will go straight onto standard chassis engine mounts, so no welding needed there, but the exhaust downpipe will need to be fabricated, whilst a standard SIII exhaust system can be bolted straight onto the 2.5NA (with the SIII exhaust manifold). There is a bit of a problem with clearance between the front axle and the crank pulley on the Tdi engine. I've not heard of this problem with the 2.5NA in a series.

fenby1976 said:

I'm not 100% sure of it, 'cos I don't have any experience with the 2.5 NA engine, but I have read several times that it's necessary because of the low mounting of the fuel pump - perhaps it's a myth. What I've heard is that a derivative of the 2.5NA Land-Rover diesel engine fitted to a Sherpa van will go onto the standard series engine chassis mounts, but that has the disadvantage of not having a sealed timing case.

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the sherpa lump goes in on the same mounts, you have to chop the battery box and air cleaner mounts out the way to clear the derv inj pump...

that was it the mounts are the same on the petrol/diesel inc sherpa no need to mess with mounts just relocate your battery and lose the oil bath filter

You should read this about using a 200tdi without the turbo

"200Di" diesel conversion for Series Land Rovers - by Glencoyne Engineering

I am putting a 200Di into my 88. It DOES use the standard chassis mounts. You DON't have to fab an exhaust if you lose the turbo. You can use a bog standard diesel manifold and standard exhaust.

You can then run on the standard series rad.

A TDi will have more power... but will burn more fuel to give you that power - that is what a turbo is for... pack more air in so you can burn more fuel. A 200Di is less powerful, but more BHP than either the 2.25 P or D. So keep it simple, and go Di.

Hi all having fitted a L/R 2.5 d in my s3 88" the O/S chassis
engine mount will foul the injector pump. the 200 tdi goes
in with no mods to either engine mount( just finishing fitting
one in my other s3) on the 2.5 I had to lower the mount
on the chassis hope this clarifies the point regards Stuart

started to strip mine down today to convert to 200tdi 109 lwb