3.5 su v8 out 3.9efi in HELP!!!

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Kernow90

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hi guys,

I have a 1990 v8 defender that i have taken the 3.5 out of in replacement for a 3.9efi out of a 1988 rrc,

A couple question of which i cant find a straight forward answer.

1: what relays do i need ? I have full loom and ecu but forgot to ask for the relays?
2: will the loom from the RRC be a straight forward fit in replacement of the original v8 loom, i.e dash gauges, lights etc etc?

3: i have a external high pressure fuel pump, does this need to be run through its own relay? Or just a simple fuse inline from a live feed from the ignition?

Any help or tips or links would be awesome as i currently have the engine out and just about to fit the loom

Many thanks

Dom
 
dash lights etc will need your original engine loom ecu loom is separate there should be 2 tin square relays one for ecu power ,the other with white/purple stripe wire for fuel pump that wire is feed for pump , when ignition is on both relays should click on, then fuel relay click off 4 seconds later ,it comes back on when wire from neg side of coil tells ecu dizzy is turning, brown wires are battery live wires,system will need an ignition live and battery live,ensure black earth wires for loom are attached to rear of head
 
Haha your telling me, best place for information these days,

I have a question. For everyone though,

Im running the manual gearbox so dont need the "bog brush" oil cooler, does the engile oil just run through the original rrc radiator? If so what ports? As theres 4 x oil connections on there?

Thanks
 
Haha your telling me, best place for information these days,

I have a question. For everyone though,

Im running the manual gearbox so dont need the "bog brush" oil cooler, does the engile oil just run through the original rrc radiator? If so what ports? As theres 4 x oil connections on there?

Thanks
you can just leave the oil cooler in the side of the rad unconnected, rad has 4 on some 2 on one side for engine oil cooling, the other 2 transmission cooling
 
Could someone please tell me how this is connected to the ecu as its got the speed tranducer wires running through it, thanks
 

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If it is for the road speed sensor, it would have gone to sensor on transfer box. It allows idle control to prevent stalling in drive. Will run without and should not be an issue for a manual gearbox.
 
Well were getting there slowly, going away with work didnt help but back for a couple days and want to get it running,

Ive seen on one post this comment;

At the white multiplug, the big fat brown and orange cable needs a permanent live from battery, no need to fuse it as it is fused at the ECU end of the loom,

Ive looked at my wiring loom and from the white multiplug i have a thick brown wire and a thin orange wire with a black stripe . I cant understand from the blokes thread whether i need to put a permenant feed to both of these or whether he has a brown and orange striped wire??

Can anyone clear this up at all?

Many thanks
 
Thick Brown is permanent live. On some model years including mine it is brown with orange stripe.
White with grey or slate stripe is ignition live. These are only lives.
 
Found a link I referred to when installing mine. I was wrong about using road speed sensor wire for winching, it is auto box neutral / air con wires.
So here's a copy and paste:

You should have a single 7 or 9 pin connector that doesn't have a home. The wires that come to this will be as follows...

Brown, white/slate, white/purple, black/yellow, black/orange, yellow, yellow/blue, brown/purple.

Some secondary colours vary with different model years and markets, but the basics will be the same.

The main connections are as follows...

Brown to main battery supply - permanently live.

White/slate to ignition switch for the 'ign on' signal.

White/purple feeds power to the fuel pump, but ensure that this then goes through an inertia swicth for safety.

The above are the main functions that apply to this connector. The others there are for ancillary functions as follows...

Black/yellow is the feed wire from the ECU to the dash warning light for EFi faults. Not an essential fit.

Yellow is the sensor wire to the ECU from the road speed input sensor. This assists the correct implementation of the idle speed, but is not that much of an issue if not fitted. However if the sensor IS fitted then the standard inbuilt speed limiter in the ECU will be active and kill the fuelling at between 110 and 112mph.

Black/orange is the sensor wire from the auto gearbox to indicate when the gearbox is in neutral and so the load on the engine is less. This is to enhance idle speed control and with a manual box is superflous.

Yellow/blus is the sensor wire from the air conditioning unit and again is an idle speed control function to ensure idle speed is maintained high enough when the aircon loads the engine and drags speed down. Not used unless your car retains aircon.

Both these latter two functions can be reallocated to other very heavy load functions that can drag the idle speed down and risk stalling.

Brown/purple is a function not used in the UK, but is going to be an additional sensor function for idle speed control.

In addition to the wires in this plug you will find a number of other connections. There are several separate earth connections. The ones nearest the injector end of the loom are intended to be bolted to the engine and not the body of the car. This is to allow for potential poorer earth paths from engine to body later in life. There will be additional earths nearest to the ECU plug end.

There are also a couple of standard relay holders which are for the main system relay and the fuel pump relay. You can see the colour codes of the wires from what I mention above.

A very important single wire connection that is separate and found near to the airflow meter plug is a single white/black wire which is the sensor connection wire for the negative side of the coil. This provides the ECU with engine speed information and has to be connected to the ECU through a 6.8k ohm resistor. This should actually be in the loom so a simple resistance check from the end of this wire to the ECU plug, pin 39 will reveal whether the resistor is in circuit. If not get one and use it to protect the ECU from spikes.

There will also be another couple of connectors. One should have a sealed resistor in it and is known as the 'tune resistor'. This alters the actual map in the ECU that is used.

There is also a diagnostic plug that should have four wires. Black/slate, white/light green, white/pink and white/yellow. Leave this untouched as it will alow for any Rover diagnostic unit to be plugged in and system faults read. Very useful if you have a problem that you can't get to the bottom of.
 
Awesome!!! Thankyou very much for that :).

With this i should hopefully be able to get it running and finished tomorrow :)

I owe you a pint kind sir!
 
Ok chaps final question, do i actually need the oil cooler? This truck wont be used offroad and more of a reliable truck, tow truck. Have seen that i dont really need it on another forum, this true?

Cheers.
 
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