200tdi starting issues

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PeteMoore

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Okay guys (and minty)

I fixed the alarm issue and she started on the button, drove home (12 miles) and parked on my driveway on a slight incline.

Went to start it this morning and nothing, not starter motor clicks, just clicks from behind the dash which turns out to be one of the relays in the footwell.

I have checked the earths and used jump leads to help the earths out to the engine and starter and still nothing.

Battery was then fully charged but without a meter to hand I wasn't able to check any voltage drop when turning the key.

I ran a jump lead from the positive terminal to the main power connection on the starter and nothing happened.

Would I be right in thinking the starter is ****ed or is there a common issue regarding relays or the electrical system which would stop the starter from turning.

The only things that changed since driving home was installing my own headunit (which is now removed again).

When turning the key the glow plug light and the usual dash lights are lighting, all electrics are working in the car but when you turn to position 3 to start everything dies and I get a click from the relay.

Thanks in advance.

Pete
 
PeteMoore said:
Okay guys (and minty)

I ran a jump lead from the positive terminal to the main power connection on the starter and nothing happened.

Thanks in advance.

Pete
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u dont have to run direct wire to the + terminal this one is already hard wired....u have to run a wire to the alternator's exiter coil/solenoid(the smaller contact) to see if it works or not.....try that first, maybe the plug doesnt make contact or is some wiring issue between the relay and that....u can also use a multimeter to see if the starter's solenoid gets feed with ignition on.
 
Sorry I should have gone further into detail there.

I touched it against the main feed into the starter and also the small lead between the solenoid and starter but it just arc'd and nothing happened with the motor itself
 
As said in the original post dude. All lights (inc headlights if on) go out. Even the clock goes out but doesn't reset.

I have noticed when I turn the lights on whilst the engine is off that there is a delay before they come on and once on the adjusters seem to be constantly working even if the disco is sat still.
 
bustersbus said:
Just a wild guess.. imobiliser?
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Totally disabled along with the alarm as I believe it's all one unit/system. Also being pre-spider I don't think there is anything more involved than disabling the v17(?) unit which was done using a jumper plug from our local specialists. She started and drove fine after doing the alarm last night.
 
PeteMoore said:
As said in the original post dude. All lights (inc headlights if on) go out. Even the clock goes out but doesn't reset.
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then unplug the starter and turn the ignition so.......if there will be no drain now its all clear....u have to take off the starter, reconnect it and try again just to make sure its not something mechanically blocked.
 
sorry didnt read your post fully,if everything is going out when trying to start i would have thought flat battery or poor connection to battery,unable to carry large current needed for starting immobiliser wouldnt effect dash lights
 
Had a similar prob after instsalling my lights on the roof bar
got home went to go to work folling morning dash lights worked but nothing els. after 15 mins decide to to check battery to find that the bolt on top of the battery conetor was holding the leads one but wasn't tight it's like a double bolt top half undoes to add other wire. the bolt looked odd so i turned it some more spanner under the bit the wires were on and hay presto no problems since.

Btw this is on a 2000 TD5 disco
 
Okay.

Had another play tonight.

Swapped about all the relays in the hope one of those would be causing the problem, didn't make a difference.

Still clicks in the footwell from the two relays on White cables, no noises bar the glow plug timer in the engine bay.

The dash lights are staying on when turning the key but the clock is turning off.

Have tried all the earths and cleaned them, so they are good to go.

I put a jump lead from the battery positive to the small nut/cable between the solenoid and starter. Starter turns and engages. Just waiting on the battery to charge again before trying to turn the engine with the ignition on.

So far when trying with ignition on she has not fired into life.

Has anyone any more ideas?

Cheers

Pete
 
Hi Pete, Might sound daft but try locking and unlocking again, my wife wanted to take mine to work this morning and one of the door locks caused the central locking to lock itself again. Although she pulled the drivers side back up again to unlock it when she turned the key it was dead,not sure if the dash lights went out but as the ignition was turned to start i did notice that the gear selector lights (auto) went out as it should of been turning the starter. It was only after she had gone to work and spoke to her on the phone that she said what had happened with the central locking that i went out locked and unlocked again and started straight away. As you know from my private message to yuo the other day my alarm doesn't work anymore because item i have removed (indicators no longer flash etc when locking/unlocking) but from what happened today means the immobiliser part must still be active. May be worth a try.
 
Thanks Darren.

The v17(?) box that controls the alarm/immobiliser has been disabled in such a way that the central locking and electric windows no longer work.

My door locks are fooked too.

I did try locking and unlocking earlier but without any of that stuff above working it didn't make a difference. I'm wondering if I should reconnect everything back to standard to break the alarm again, then open and close it. Honestly can't see it making any difference though.

Thanks and I will try it again.

Pete
 
Sorry Pete, i forgot your lock don't work maybe someone else can come up with a better idea. Hope you get it sorted.
Just sent you another PM with another idea that may work?
 
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again... have you tried wacking the starter motor?

if it clicks from the relays and lights dont go out... its your starter
 
Yup. Had a good whack at both the motor and the solenoid.

Also did it whilst the key was turned by my lovely assistant.

Nowt!!!

With the jump lead to the small terminal I can get it to turn, but no start so far. It did manage to melt my cheapo jump lead in the process.

Battery has taken a fair kicking from this so leaving it to charge overnight now.
 
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