1996 RR 4.0 SE hard to stop, pump keeps running

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Wammers, Thanks for clarifying!
If you weren't comfortable with the Blanking Plug procedure, which part would you source first, The Modulator/Block (ABS Unit under the reservoir) or the Pump (The unit with Accumulator sitting on top)?
Still don't know what's a Blanking Plug?

The purpose of the test is to determine which one is faulty. If you want to spend money on something that may not be the cause of your problems that is for you to decide.
 
The front brakes are hydrostatic, they do not need pressure in the system to be bled. The rear brakes do not work if there is no pressure in the system and cannot be bled without it. Your problem seems to be that pressure is not being retained in the accumulator. Obviously when the brake is pressed pressure from the accumulator is used. When the brake is released fluid returns to the tank until after several applications, the pump starts again to recharge the accumulator. If the pump never stops the pressure is being lost somewhere. The fault has to be either the pump NRV or a valve in the ABS unit stuck open allowing fluid to return to the tank. You can bleed the system to your hearts content but it will not cure the pressure loss. Does your car have rear wheel traction control with a TC lamp that comes on with ignition? If so this lamp should go out when minimum working pressure is achieved but the pump should still run for a while after this lamp goes out before full pressure is gained and it stops. You could try fitting a blanking plug in the high pressure feed from pump to ABS unit. If with this plug fitted the pump stops the problem is with the ABS unit. If it does not stop the problem will be with the pump NRV.
Wammers I was over-thinking the process I just need to fit a blanking plug in the side of the pump where the banji-screw connects into the pump. I was trying to figure out how to fit a blanking plug into the banji-screw end. Will test soon as I find a blanking plug to fit in the pump.
Thanks-All for advice!!!!!
 
Wammers I was over-thinking the process I just need to fit a blanking plug in the side of the pump where the banji-screw connects into the pump. I was trying to figure out how to fit a blanking plug into the banji-screw end. Will test soon as I find a blanking plug to fit in the pump.
Thanks-All for advice!!!!!

Wammers is the expert. Anything he says should be top priority.
 
Wammers is the expert. Anything he says should be top priority.
Grrrrrrr Thanks! I will this weekend. It just wasn't clicking with me how to perform Wammers instructions. Once I watched a video of someone taking a part an abs unit it started making since. For instance modulator/block are used interchangeably by some. A Blanking plug is generic for plugging an outlet or inlet. All of are very helpful and take time to respond.
I Thank you and will let you know how it goes.
 
Grrrrrrr Thanks! I will this weekend. It just wasn't clicking with me how to perform Wammers instructions. Once I watched a video of someone taking a part an abs unit it started making since. For instance modulator/block are used interchangeably by some. A Blanking plug is generic for plugging an outlet or inlet. All of are very helpful and take time to respond.
I Thank you and will let you know how it goes.

A suitable metal plug and a copper washer will seal for the purpose of the test. If the NRV has failed depressurising will not be a problem. If it has not, cutting a slot in one side of the threads on the plug, will allow pressure to be released progressively by slowly backing the plug off.
 
Grrrrrrr Thanks! I will this weekend. It just wasn't clicking with me how to perform Wammers instructions. Once I watched a video of someone taking a part an abs unit it started making since. For instance modulator/block are used interchangeably by some. A Blanking plug is generic for plugging an outlet or inlet. All of are very helpful and take time to respond.
I Thank you and will let you know how it goes.

I would not mess around with anything to do with brakes. I know of one thread where the guy retrofitted 4W traction control to an earlier model swapping some wires over and shortly after he stopped posting. Draw your own conclusions from that.
 
I would not mess around with anything to do with brakes. I know of one thread where the guy retrofitted 4W traction control to an earlier model swapping some wires over and shortly after he stopped posting. Draw your own conclusions from that.
Hey Grrrr, not sure I follow. Are you just saying be careful because pressure will build in pump and safety is a concern? I found a tapered-rubber blanking plug to fit in the pump and an extra-fine threaded 10mm 1.00 pitch bolt to screw-in to the pump. Which one do you suggest I use to do Wammers test?
 
Hey Grrrr, not sure I follow. Are you just saying be careful because pressure will build in pump and safety is a concern? I found a tapered-rubber blanking plug to fit in the pump and an extra-fine threaded 10mm 1.00 pitch bolt to screw-in to the pump. Which one do you suggest I use to do Wammers test?

No, I am saying don't mix and match modulators. Keep ABS ECU for 0W TC and modulator together, same with 2W and 4W. The pump, accumulator and switch are the same, iirc. I think the same switch was used by a Saab too.
 
Hey Grrrr, not sure I follow. Are you just saying be careful because pressure will build in pump and safety is a concern? I found a tapered-rubber blanking plug to fit in the pump and an extra-fine threaded 10mm 1.00 pitch bolt to screw-in to the pump. Which one do you suggest I use to do Wammers test?
A rubber plug will not hold the pressure.
 
No, I am saying don't mix and match modulators. Keep ABS ECU for 0W TC and modulator together, same with 2W and 4W. The pump, accumulator and switch are the same, iirc. I think the same switch was used by a Saab too.
The modulator/block/abs unit has a bar-code with numbers. After "Test" if it needs replacing, what numbers must match
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By the way what does the ETC mean? Pretty sure its electronic tracking control. Do the numbers identify which drive system I have (ie.. 2W, 4W ). Not sure what 0WTC means?

Electronic traction control. Yours may have rear TC but it should not have four wheel TC. When the ECU detects a spinning wheel from ABS sensor signal. It applies the brake to that wheel to send drive to the wheel with grip. Four wheel TC came in from 1999.
 
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