10w40 or 15w40 ?

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went to buy my 10w40 oil b4 from me local parts supplier and they told me its meant to have 15w40 in it. its a 200tdi, got 5w40 ful synth at the moment and its using loads. everywhere seems to say different.

anyone know which one?

also wots the diff between 10w40 for petrol and 10w40 for diesel?
 
Land Rover say 10w40 but that also depends on the countries ambient temperature. 15w40 is not on the list. 5w40 fully synth is a bit light and was not designed for your engine try 10w40 semi-synth. or a higher grade if your engine is burning it.
Diesel oil has a detergent in it.
 
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Land Rover say 10w40 but that also depends on the countries ambient temperature. 15w40 is not on the list. 5w40 fully synth is a bit light and was not designed for your engine try 10w40 semi-synth. or a higher grade if your engine is burning it.
Diesel oil has a detergent in it.

wots the next grade up from that?

ye will try 10w40 again as it was ok wen i used to run on that.
 
Higher grades are the 15w40 10w50 20w50.. When I used 10w40 mineral oil I never needed to topup between oil changes, but now I use 5w40 full synth and use 500ml between changes.
My engine is not designed for that oil either so will be using 10w40 semi-synth next time.
It's a shame as I like the idear of the extended oil change periods ie. I can go on upto 12k miles with fully synth and it stays neally the same colour as when it was in.

Have a look at the oil manufactures web sites they tell you the grade of oil required, well Castrol and Comma do.
 
Fully synthetic oils are a COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY!!!

Use tractor universal oil at about or under £1 a litre, and change it every 5/6000 miles.

My Disco TD5 has been running on that for 50,000 miles, and the last change was after 11,000 miles. The guy watching the oil coming out said it was so clean why was I changing it?!
My SAAB 900 Turbo is on over 100,000 miles on that same oil.

I use Brett Oils OVOLINE Tractor Universal and I buy a 210 litre barrel and get a good price.

The secret with oils - keep it clean, keep it HOT, and change it when it gets dirty or wet.

Remember, Fully synthetic is NOT a better lubricant, but it does last longer. At £1 a litre for TU oils my changes cost me £6 or so. Compared to the price of Fully synthetic that's not a lot. For the same money I could change my oil every 500 miles, never mind 5,000!

We have had this discussion before, and remember, garages and oil companies make BIG profits on forecourt oil sales.

CharlesY
 
CharlesY advice is the best, there's no substitute for regular oil and filter changes. I have a mate who has run his 300TDi Defender on tractor universal from new, changed every 4/5000 without fail, it's done 165 thousand HARD miles and the engine sounds and performs like new, it's had nothing other than two cambelt changes and normal service items.
 
Nice on CharlseY, I loike the sound of this. I was a bit troubled when it cost me over 30 squids for oil for an oil change.

I did a quick search and found this. £25 for 20 litres, that'll be the best part of three oil changes. Nice!
 
People get all excited about oil grades, so they get ripped off by the oil sellers who make BIG BUCKS selling ridiculously expensive potions in fancy plastic bottles.

My oil comes in a big steel barrel, 210 litres at a time. No messing!

Engine oil is engine oil. Start there.

Next, is it a petrol engine or a diesel?
Petrol engines get the crappy puny left-overs oils because they work under a lot less strain, and don't get polluted with carbon black.
Diesel engines get tougher grades of oil because these engines work harder all the time and there's a lot more carbon black gets into it down past the piston rings.
So diesel engine oils are far better oils, for ALL engines, petrol or diesel.

The grades to use hardly matters at all as long as it is an ENGINE oil. You will probably destroy your engine if you fill the sump with EP140 axle oil for example, but any engine oil with more or less any combination of SAE grades from 5 to 50 with or without a W is going to be just dandy,

In really REALLY cold weather a LOW grade number will make starting slightly easier especially if is has a W too, such as 10W-40 or even thinner, 5W-30 for instance.

In the summer, maybe a 20-50 would be good, with or without the W.

But, DO NOT GET NEUROTIC and DO NOT GET RIPPED OFF!

Choose a good basic grade of oil such as any of the tractor universals with a grade of about 15W/40 and off you go knowing you are using the best there is and not getting robbed.

When you think of the abuse farmers give their diesel engines, you can be sure the oil people supply the best of stuff!

Just repeat after me - "Fully synthetic oils are NOT better lubricants. They just cost ten times as much and last up to twice as long".

The maths isn't that difficult to work out.

CharlesY
 
Hey, I should add this. Basically oils have a grade number that says how thick (or runny) it is at a certain temperature. I think the SAE oils were tested at 60°F. SAE is the USA Society of Automotive Engineers.

So, a SAE 30 grade oil is runnier than a SAE 40 grade, which would be a little thinner than a SAE 50. SAE 50 would be thicker than SAE 40 or any grade number less.

Now then, long ago in the early days of motoring in VERY COLD temperatures some oils tended to get far too THICK compared to other oils even of the same basic SAE grade, and engines were often so gummed up by thick gooey oil they would not even start. I have experienced that in my early motorbike days. My Triumph 500 GP was a brute to kick-start if SAE 40 oil was in the tank even though it had a "dry sump". The oil was like syrup in cold weather.

In those days there were no so-called "multi-grade" oils, and most cars would be given clean oil every 3,000 miles, using a SAE 20 in winter and a SAE 40 in the summer. These oils were later called MONO grade oils. Chancers used SAE 30 all the time.

The oil companies put their brains in top gear and worked out ways to make oils that stayed thin (like a SAE 20) when cold and stayed quite thick (like a SAE 40) when hot. These oils behaved as if they had multiple grades, so they called them multi-grade oils, and they gave them TWO grade numbers such as SAE 15-40 to indicate it behaves like a SAE 15 when cold, and SAE 40 when hot. The W such as 15W-40 just indicates a slightly enhanced cold weather flowing ability.

So ... why do the User Manuals specify all those grades and BRANDS of oils? Easy - because the oil companies pay them BIG BUCKS to do that! An incredible amount of money is spent on oil advertising. They used to say that Castrol spent more money advertising GTX than they spent making the oil! In those days Castrol didn't tell you the grade and the oil was a pathetic blend almost a monograde. The only clever thing about it was the incredible HYPE. Smart people used Duckhams 20-50, but that didn't last after BP bought Duckhams. Things have changed since hopefully. But remember, advertising costs are factored in to the cost of the oil, so guess who pays for every penny of it at the end of the day.

Buy quality oils, buy in bulk, do not buy "trendy" or "synthetic" oils and use the good value to change the oil and filter every 5-6,000 miles.

Changing the oil (that is, draining it right out) is BY FAR the most effective way of removing all the crap, acids, water, carbon black, metal fragments and so on. Using synthetic oils for twice as long means all that bad stuff stays in the engine much longer, eating away at your bearing rings and pistons all the time.

DIY oil and filter changes are so easy, and so cheap, we should do it often. It costs me under £10 to change the oil and filter in my Disco TD5. That's a tad less than a LR main dealer would charge!

CharlesY
 
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Inside a Computer Hard Drive are two of the most powerfull rare earth magnets you will find.
Crack one open, yank the magents out and put them together... see for yourself..!

Better still, crack one open and stick one of the magnets to your engine sump plug, even on a Landy ploughing through mud it wont come off.

Sick all them nasty metal particles circulating in your oil to your sump plug so they come out on the next oil change.
 
Inside a Computer Hard Drive are two of the most powerfull rare earth magnets you will find.
Crack one open, yank the magents out and put them together... see for yourself..!

Better still, crack one open and stick one of the magnets to your engine sump plug, even on a Landy ploughing through mud it wont come off.

Suck all them nasty metal particles circulating in your oil to your sump plug so they come out on the next oil change.

Great plan! I hadn't thought of using those magnets.
Old hard drives are easy to get too.

When I did auto boxes I always slapped a speaker ring magnet onto the inside of the oil pan. It was amazing to see later! Even sticking one of those OUTSIDE the sump pan (if it was steel) caused a pile of steel filings to stick on the INSIDE!

CharlesY
 
Hee hee
One of my Uncles had a pathalogical objection to changing his engine oil (or any kind of servicing come to that).
He bought a brand new Ford Anglia in the 1960s and never had it serviced - only replaced tyres when they were bald and brake shoes when they were down to the metal.
he did add a pint or two of oil occasionally - the cheapest he could get.

The engine still outlasted the bodywork - it rotted out before it siezed.

Think of all the money he saved!
 
Hee hee
One of my Uncles had a pathalogical objection to changing his engine oil (or any kind of servicing come to that).
He bought a brand new Ford Anglia in the 1960s and never had it serviced - only replaced tyres when they were bald and brake shoes when they were down to the metal.
he did add a pint or two of oil occasionally - the cheapest he could get.

The engine still outlasted the bodywork - it rotted out before it siezed.

Think of all the money he saved!

ditto - ages ago bought a T reg mundano zetec with 12K on it - did 180K in it over 4 years, 3 air filters, 1 oil filter, a few bottles of tractor oil and water when i remembered and 4 tyres and not a single proper service - never once missed a beat
 
Great plan! I hadn't thought of using those magnets.
Old hard drives are easy to get too.

When I did auto boxes I always slapped a speaker ring magnet onto the inside of the oil pan. It was amazing to see later! Even sticking one of those OUTSIDE the sump pan (if it was steel) caused a pile of steel filings to stick on the INSIDE!

CharlesY
Minis had a magnetic sump plug (to pick up the bits of gear teeth because the gearbox was in the sump). Don't know why the idea hasn't become standard.
 

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Minis had a magnetic sump plug (to pick up the bits of gear teeth because the gearbox was in the sump). Don't know why the idea hasn't become standard.

Probably because it would add ten pence to the cost of the car, and as long as the engine last longer than the warranty, who cares anyway? Not the car makers, that's for sure.

Chum had a 300 tdi Disco that bust a cam belt at 11,000 miles and 13 months.
Dealers and LandRover said he had to pay up. I got involved.
Two days later they brought a courtesy Range Rover, and took the Disco away for free repairs AND another 12 months warranty on the engine.

CharlesY
 
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