Is there anything actually good about the Tdci engines.?

[dieseldog69]

As per title, there seems to be little love for them, but, is there actually anything really wrong with them?

seem to recall such anti'ism with the Td5, hatred for the constant cooking of the 300Tdi, the only universally sound engine to have is a 200Tdi

open to education, so, come on, whats wrong with them exactly?

 

[Wimblowdriver]

As per title, there seems to be little love for them, but, is there actually anything really wrong with them?

seem to recall such anti'ism with the Td5, hatred for the constant cooking of the 300Tdi, the only universally sound engine to have is a 200Tdi

open to education, so, come on, whats wrong with them exactly?

Absolutely nothing wrong with them. Built by Ford (who have a little bit of experience with engines), chain driven cams (no belt to snap and wreck the head), huge mileages between services compared to earlier engines, loads of horsepower, massive torque, reliable, is that enough? As I have said on here before, they only get badmouthed by people who have never owned one and the false myths start. OK they are a bit more complex in the engine management department, but that is necessary so it could continue into the 21st century. If Land Rover had not gone this way, the defender would have died 15 years ago - think about it?

 

[lynall]

Very poor design of the cam chain mean one sprocket only has a approx 1/4 of the sprocket engaged with the chain, chain wears timing jumps, oh dear.
See quite a few tranny engines at work in bits and this seems to be a common fault.
Not universally loved, the iveco 3.0 td are also trouble as are the nissan/renault van motors.

Top right hand cam sprocket in the pic, its only a single row chain as well
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[MayorQuimby]

Very poor design of the cam chain mean one sprocket only has a approx 1/4 of the sprocket engaged with the chain, chain wears timing jumps, oh dear.
See quite a few tranny engines at work in bits and this seems to be a common fault.
Not universally loved, the iveco 3.0 td are also trouble as are the nissan/renault van motors.

Top right hand cam sprocket in the pic, its only a single row chain as well
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And just to add... As well as the engine constantly trying to find new ways to lunch itself, the gearbox (MT82) has a well known fault with the output shaft to the transfer box. So much so that Ashcroft sells a kit to cure it. But of course its a gearbox out job to fit it.....
To be fair its a nice smooth, pokey unit when all is well. But lots to go wrong, and costly when they do..

 

[mick the builder]

So thats conclusive proof that even getting two responses to a question, you will get two different answers

 

[Wimblowdriver]

Very poor design of the cam chain mean one sprocket only has a approx 1/4 of the sprocket engaged with the chain, chain wears timing jumps, oh dear.
See quite a few tranny engines at work in bits and this seems to be a common fault.
Not universally loved, the iveco 3.0 td are also trouble as are the nissan/renault van motors.

Top right hand cam sprocket in the pic, its only a single row chain as well

I have to agree with you on that point, looks like a small design change and a longer chain would improve the chain run. Wonder if they took the opportunity to do that when the 2,2 version was introduced.

 

[EeEk]

chains jump because of the tensioner/oil pressure ....thats been long sorted

You could easily rate the engines in the order they were made....they get better.

Anyone who tells you a 200tdi is the best engine ever is....well insane!!! The should be locked up!!! It was f'ing carp when it was newand its still crap now...might have been the best there was in a landrover at the time but that didnt make it a good engine. It was just an evolution of an even craper? engine

 

[jamesmartin]

chains jump because of the tensioner/oil pressure ....thats been long sorted

You could easily rate the engines in the order they were made....they get better.

Anyone who tells you a 200tdi is the best engine ever is....well insane!!! The should be locked up!!! It was f'ing carp when it was newand its still crap now...might have been the best there was in a landrover at the time but that didnt make it a good engine. It was just an evolution of an even craper? engine

bollocks , it might not have the power of modern ecu driven engines but a great design ,simple to rebuild totally but rarely needed it

 

[dieseldog69]

chains jump because of the tensioner/oil pressure ....thats been long sorted

You could easily rate the engines in the order they were made....they get better.

Anyone who tells you a 200tdi is the best engine ever is....well insane!!! The should be locked up!!! It was f'ing carp when it was newand its still crap now...might have been the best there was in a landrover at the time but that didnt make it a good engine. It was just an evolution of an even craper? engine

Thats just it, for as much as I love my 200Tdi it is old hat now and has been for 15yrs

Would anyone recommend a 2.2 or 2.4 as a repower?

Thing is, all I ever hear about them is bad things, is it just misinformed hype or truthes of poor design?

 

[MayorQuimby]

Its all very well people saying 200tdi etc is a coarse old piece of ****, but the thing is some people forget the ethos of a defender..
They are supposed to be simple and sorted easily "in the field". The more ECU's and electronic crap they have, the worse (and more expensive) it is to fix.

 

[dieseldog69]

Its all very well people saying 200tdi etc is a coarse old piece of ****, but the thing is some people forget the ethos of a defender..
They are supposed to be simple and sorted easily "in the field". The more ECU's and electronic crap they have, the worse (and more expensive) it is to fix.

Never seen a FIP stripped and rebuilt in a field

I recall the same **** being said about carb Vs EFi on Rover V8s.

Times move on and lets face it, there is hardly anywhere in central Europe any of us are going to go where we can't get parts, I mean, you do realize that less than 2% of owners actually drive off road at all let alone tramp into the Sahara.

 

[jamesmartin]

Never seen a FIP stripped and rebuilt in a field

I recall the same **** being said about carb Vs EFi on Rover V8s.

Times move on and lets face it, there is hardly anywhere in central Europe any of us are going to go where we can't get parts, I mean, you do realize that less than 2% of owners actually drive off road at all let alone tramp into the Sahara.

times and things do but it doesnt alter that 200 tdi was a great engine

 

[bluedog333]

200tdi engine will still be going when tdci is getting weighed-in. Doesn't mean it's a better engine, or does it...

 

[bluedog333]

And if they're tricky to fix 'in the field', they're tricky to fix in the garage and that means expensive! Might not be often, but it will be more expensive.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Never seen a FIP stripped and rebuilt in a field

I recall the same **** being said about carb Vs EFi on Rover V8s.

Times move on and lets face it, there is hardly anywhere in central Europe any of us are going to go where we can't get parts, I mean, you do realize that less than 2% of owners actually drive off road at all let alone tramp into the Sahara.

What a load of old bollocks. Once again the point goes in one ear and straight out the other....

The point is if you run a tdi or v8 you CAN get going again if you break down in the field. If your running a vehicle with loads of ECU's, depending on the fault, you may need diagnostic equipment that only dealers can afford. Its got sweet #### all to do with parts availability.

Finally, if someone wants heated this, aircon that, tight build tolerances etc etc go buy an X5 or FFRR..NOT a Defender...

 

[blue beasty]

I'm driving a tdci powered transit atm and it's great, quiet, smooth, decent power, economical.....

Wouldn't want to try and fix it with my bag of spanners and a hammer though.

The answer to the the question in the OP is it depends on what you want from an engine.

If you have a modern, well equipped garage and enough knowledge or enough money to drop it at a stealers then a modern engine is great.

If you want or need to be able to fix it yourself with limited resources or even find out what's wrong with it then a modern engine is a nightmare.

Horses for courses.

 

[flat]

doesnt the LT77 have a problem with the gearbox to transfer box shaft? and thats an OLD gearbox.

oh and all you lot with your new fangled turbochargers. NA is where it is at

 

[MayorQuimby]

doesnt the LT77 have a problem with the gearbox to transfer box shaft? and thats an OLD gearbox.

Nothing apart from wear from high mileage. The MT82 is suffering damage within relatively low mileage..

 

[blue beasty]

doesnt the LT77 have a problem with the gearbox to transfer box shaft? and thats an OLD gearbox.

oh and all you lot with your new fangled turbochargers. NA is where it is at

5 speed boxes will never catch on

 

[dieseldog69]

What a load of old bollocks. Once again the point goes in one ear and straight out the other....

The point is if you run a tdi or v8 you CAN get going again if you break down in the field. If your running a vehicle with loads of ECU's, depending on the fault, you may need diagnostic equipment that only dealers can afford. Its got sweet #### all to do with parts availability.

Finally, if someone wants heated this, aircon that, tight build tolerances etc etc go buy an X5 or FFRR..NOT a Defender...

I didn't miss the point, I countered your point by stating my own, that being that unless you live in the UK (which I don't BTW!) 200Tdi engine parts are getting hard to come by, and not to mention the fact that good old fashioned machining and engineering shops and diesel specialists just don't stock anything for small mechanical injection engines, you got a truck or a tractor then fair enough but small stuff is getting real hard to get, and I don't have an abundance of space to hoard stuff.

I was looking for a repower solution that stayed LR and is still very much current with readily available parts supplies. With the 2.4 and 2.2 engines they were fitted to Transits, so parts supplies should long prevail right accross europe?

or is it a case of #### the trend of LR engine and find something else that will also be slagged off and hated by some one else