Somethings Not Right!?

[Anguslives!]

They come to see a better looking vehicle thats all, no harm in that as long as they keep the hands in the pockets and gobs shut!

 

[Northern Irelander]

Good thread, and I agree with the theory that spending some time sorting this out properly is the way to go - how many cases of sequential HGF came from a garage just changing the HG and not the oil rail or PRRT, which are the root cause?

I only stuck on the MLS gasket, no oil rail or PRT.
Some peeps even fit a new standard water pump.

OEM stat was replaced as it was faulty opening at 95 deg. C

 

[Anguslives!]

I only stuck on the MLS gasket, no oil rail or PRT.
Some peeps even fit a new standard water pump.

OEM stat was replaced as it was faulty opening at 95 deg. C

I did think about the water pump haha.

If it's good well then no panic I'd say.... Well perhaps a little panic! Only joking?
I'm defo doing the bolts again want to see if they change...

 

[Northern Irelander]

Yes the bolts went down nice, I've been told to re-check them, just to loosen off a quarter turn and see if they settle in the same position as they tend to go a little bit further.

you'll not need to, same clamping load on the OEM gasket as the MLS.

I can tell you now, no garage is going to recall a motor after 500miles, to undo the cam/rocker cover, just to check the head bolts..........not unless they are sticking the arm in.

 

[Anguslives!]

I agree no garage would and customers would think they are taking the P. But it's a 30 minute job and would put my mind at rest about it. I've since spoken with "the uncle" and he too has recommended that I do this, he said he does it on all his engines that take head bolts, something about cycle "safer is better than sorry" it's not required just a safety check I guess.

Anyhow it's between a 500 and 650 mile check so who knows the weather might even be nice!!

It's now 3 days since the work was complete and still no issues, my thoughts are slowly turning back to the GPS/Reverse camera unit still to install. It works on the igo program and has a picture of a Freelander as the arrow (cool) I’ve also made a screen saver for it (Land Rover Badge).

If that aint enough I’m also going to look at the posts about mod engine guards to make oil changes easier as I've only got 12 months til the next!!!

 

[Northern Irelander]

I agree no garage would and customers would think they are taking the P. But it's a 30 minute job and would put my mind at rest about it. I've since spoken with "the uncle" and he too has recommended that I do this, he said he does it on all his engines that take head bolts, something about cycle "safer is better than sorry" it's not required just a safety check I guess.

Anyhow it's between a 500 and 650 mile check so who knows the weather might even be nice!!

It's now 3 days since the work was complete and still no issues, my thoughts are slowly turning back to the GPS/Reverse camera unit still to install. It works on the igo program and has a picture of a Freelander as the arrow (cool) Ive also made a screen saver for it (Land Rover Badge).

If that aint enough Im also going to look at the posts about mod engine guards to make oil changes easier as I've only got 12 months til the next!!!

Have it your own way it's not in any of the workshop manuals or bulletins
I've never done this, even when re-using the bolts, IMHO has no added value to check them.
You're only making work for yourself........relax man! haven't you done enough already?

I've seen all the horror stories and pics of cracked oil rails...................ham fisted spanner monkeys not setting to specified torque.


You might wanna search undertray modified.......all been covered in one way or another.




Why did the Irish lepricon check his head bolts at the time of engine rebuild and then 500 miles later?..................





to be sure, to be sure!

 

[Anguslives!]

That was terrible............. But I liked it!!

Just like Bittles Bar.........

 

[fanatic]

Regarding bolts, had you watched the video's from rover it explains that first run brings bolts into yield zone- leave them alone

 

[Anguslives!]

So what should be done? Some say do and some say don't.

Plenty of advice on net say's yes do the bolts again, then you get advised to leave well alone......!?

What will provide the better result? That's all I'm after.

 

[oldskool]

These head bolts don't require rechecking, if you do they will end up to to tight when the engine is at opperating temp. This was common practice on old cars due to the amount the head gasket compressed. leave them alone and all should be good, ive never rechecked bolts and have never had a HG failure once fitted with a MLG.

 

[The Mad Hat Man]

Dont do it.
Its not as if you can re-torque them - its an angular displacement, not a torque setting.

 

[Anguslives!]

Ok I will take your advice on this one........

It's a dark dark day indeed.

Can agree common practice on older engines, I've read advice on a K-series engine and this chap says to check them if I can find it again I'll attach link, had lots and lots of spec about doing this.

 

[Skynet]

Nicely done Angus. Fingers crossed for many trouble free miles from the engine at least

 

[Anguslives!]

Well that the first week out the way, no loss of water or oil.

Running at normal operating temperature nothing else to report.

So I'm going to fit the Engine Guard back at the weekend and start putting in the new CD/DVD/GPS unit.

Not sure if I'm going to keep the original unit or sell it, it's the upgraded 6 Multi-disc Land rover unit (double dinn).

 

[The Mad Hat Man]

Tuz good news, Angus.

 

[Anguslives!]

Tuz good news, Angus.

Thanks for the frown!

I know the K has it's issues but who knows with the upgraded parts perhaps thats all it needs to put the reputation right about HGF. I'm not saying it won't happen again, but it shouldn't happen anytime soon.... Well thats my hope!!

If the motor was fitted in a lightweight sports car being driven under race conditions then the pressure is going to be far greater than how it's driven in a Freelander, therefore it would support that "with the new parts" Gasket failure could perhaps be a thing of the past.

 

[Blippie]

I don't know about that, but I do know that my Rover 400 went on to give years of good service after its HGF.

Cheers

Blippie

 

[TD John]

Mine too and still uis - Rover 400 that is.
That's after a new (second hand) head to replace the original @ 70K that went porous

 

[oldskool]

Thanks for the frown!

I know the K has it's issues but who knows with the upgraded parts perhaps thats all it needs to put the reputation right about HGF. I'm not saying it won't happen again, but it shouldn't happen anytime soon.... Well thats my hope!!

If the motor was fitted in a lightweight sports car being driven under race conditions then the pressure is going to be far greater than how it's driven in a Freelander, therefore it would support that "with the new parts" Gasket failure could perhaps be a thing of the past.

Like a lotus exige you mean see if you can find anything on utube about lotus exige in rallycross (its a yellow one your looking for going up against a blue volvo)

 

[Anguslives!]

Like a lotus exige you mean see if you can find anything on utube about lotus exige in rallycross (its a yellow one your looking for going up against a blue volvo)

I'll try and have a looksee tonight for the clip, bet I'm not going to like it!!

See you've used my comment as your "new quote" and is taken out of content as my last Hero was a lollypop stick!