NEWBIE YANK - fuel mileage on TDI in a 90?

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Folks,
Sorry to intrude on your tight knit U.K. Landy group but I hope to learn from your group. I am in the USA and am interested in the possibility of importing a 1996 or older 90 with a TDI in it (truck has to be 25 years old to import easily).
I realize this is not the original engine but there seems to be many that have done this conversion. I am assuming this makes the vehicle much more freeway worthy.
I currently have a Disco I with a V8. I would love to drive it more but the fuel mileage is horrible. I am hoping that a TDI 90 would get much better mileage plus give me a trusty vehicle.
I would appreciate any and all comments.
Best Regards,
Dave
Pennsylvania, USA
 
You'll get double the mpg with a tdi in a 90...

We're not all uk based..although i am english..if you are interested in a left hand drive 90 and import costs from europe drop me a private message and i may be able to help..

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Just to check, do you mean 1986? or that vehicles over 15 years are easy to import?

Mine is a 1994 300TDI and I do find it very juicy (and loud) at motorway speeds. Although probably not as juicy as your V8 I'd guess, and fuel prices are quite a lot higher in the UK on the whole as I understand.

Enjoy your 90 though.
 
I don't know how readily available biodiesel is in the US, but assuming it is available, you could definitely try it in your 90. (may need some mods though, not sure, search the forum.)
 
Folks,
Sorry to intrude on your tight knit U.K. Landy group but I hope to learn from your group. I am in the USA and am interested in the possibility of importing a 1996 or older 90 with a TDI in it (truck has to be 25 years old to import easily).
I realize this is not the original engine but there seems to be many that have done this conversion. I am assuming this makes the vehicle much more freeway worthy.
I currently have a Disco I with a V8. I would love to drive it more but the fuel mileage is horrible. I am hoping that a TDI 90 would get much better mileage plus give me a trusty vehicle.
I would appreciate any and all comments.
Best Regards,
Dave
Pennsylvania, USA
I get about 25-30mpg depending on how i drive in my TDI 90, how easy is it to get parts for the 90 where you are from? a landy at that age might need some TLC
 
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A200 or 300tdi engine in a 90 turbo diesel is a good and economic conversion both to do and to run[I drive one every day] get 30 miles average per uk gallon 20 plus towing.The hardest bit is finding a 25 year old one whos chassis and bulkhead is in good order[anything else is a bolt on replacment]But well cared for examples are to be had. Goodluck with your search.
 
Just to check, do you mean 1986? or that vehicles over 15 years are easy to import?

Mine is a 1994 300TDI and I do find it very juicy (and loud) at motorway speeds. Although probably not as juicy as your V8 I'd guess, and fuel prices are quite a lot higher in the UK on the whole as I understand.

Enjoy your 90 though.

SORRY - 1986

Prices are higher in the U.K. but it is a relative thing I suppose. I am paying $3.45 for a gallon of 93 octane
 
I get about 25-30mpg depending on how i drive in my TDI 90, how easy is it to get parts for the 90 where you are from? a landy at that age might need some TLC

Parts are not readily available but they are available. I figure I can do some repairs as long as the frame is solid and the body is not total shot.
 
A200 or 300tdi engine in a 90 turbo diesel is a good and economic conversion both to do and to run[I drive one every day] get 30 miles average per uk gallon 20 plus towing.The hardest bit is finding a 25 year old one whos chassis and bulkhead is in good order[anything else is a bolt on replacment]But well cared for examples are to be had. Goodluck with your search.

I read about the "bulkhead" in many of the Ebay UK advertisements for these trucks. Is this the firewall or ??

Thank-you
 
I read about the "bulkhead" in many of the Ebay UK advertisements for these trucks. Is this the firewall or ??

Thank-you
youd call it a firewall, yeah.
You are paying about half wot we are for fuel:doh:
And Natas imported a 90 into barbados, he might have some advice for ya:welcome2:
 
youd call it a firewall, yeah.
You are paying about half wot we are for fuel:doh:
And Natas imported a 90 into barbados, he might have some advice for ya:welcome2:

I have never heard of a vehicle that has a firewall rust out! It seems like you might want that solid! ;)

Thanks for the information.
 
I have never heard of a vehicle that has a firewall rust out! It seems like you might want that solid! ;)

Thanks for the information.
everything else is aly so that dont rust.But the bulk head needs to be strong.But then it rusts and isnt.....
 
Hi Dave,
I'm a Yank too, but living in the UK. I have a 1984 (A reg!) 110, with the 300TDi, R380 5 speed and a lot of other kit from later model years. I believe in the lingua franca it would be described as a "Bitsa" -- bitsa this, bitsa that... I bought an early truck with specific purpose of being able to take it to the US some day.

I have a friend in Oregon who converted his RRC from a 3.9 to a 300TDi. He saw the mpg get double or better. The 3.9 was getting 12mpg (US gallons, smaller than Imperial), and he sees 25+ with the 300TDi, with the 4HP22 slushbox. It accelerates slower, and it won't top 85 mph, but it will cruise at 70 all day.

My 110 gets in the neighborhood of 20 mpg Imperial in mixed driving.

A few things to consider if going from a petrol (gas to you) Disco to a diesel 90 (from experience, since my prior vehicle in the US was a 3.9 RRC):

1. Noise -- lots of it. 90/110/Defenders are much louder than the passenger-focused Disco, and the 300TDi is not a quiet powerplant. You can tone this down with sound deadening material, but a 90 is never going to reach Discovery-esque levels of NVH.

2. Speed -- the 300TDi is a lot of things, mostly good, but fast is not one of them. Acceleration is (as Rolls Royce used to say) adequate, and you will be able to cruise at 65-70, but unless you spend some money on upgrades, the top end will be about 85. Personally, I think 65-70 is plenty fast in my 110, and I have 20 more inches of wheelbase to keep things from getting interesting in curves and crosswinds.

3. Space -- the driver and passenger in a 90 have plenty of room separating them, but in all other directions you are rubbing up against truck. The door is rubbing your right (or in your case, possibly left) elbow, your head is a couple inches from the B pillar, the seat is close to the wheel, the dash is only a few inches from the steering wheel. In a RHD truck the parking brake handle is where your left leg wants to be; that can be fixed by swapping to a RRC handle mounted between the seats. In a LHD truck the transfer case eats 4 or 5 inches of the footwell, and it's going nowhere. If you are over about 5'10" or have long legs, you will want to put spacers under the seat rails to relieve the sensation of "squatting".

4. Comfort and modcons -- New defenders have heating, defrosting and ventilation that would charitably be described as satisfactory. Older trucks are simpler and will prevent drowning or freezing, but only just. Door and window seals will slow down the wind and water, but mostly serve to reduce rattling noises. The heater works OK in the front 3 feet of the truck, beyond that the temperature is dependent on local weather conditions. The defroster setting will keep the windshield mostly clear, but if it's very humid or cold, the side windows will fog or freeze. The wipers are just OK. You can get A/C, but you'll give up about 3 inches of the limited space in front of your knees for the privilege.

That may sound like an attempt to scare you off, but it's not. I love my 110, with all it's "personality". I have no intention of ever letting it go.

Some (not all) good things:

1. The 300TDi is a granite block of reliability if you keep up on preventative maintenance. Try to find one without the ECU-controlled injection pump for the ultimate in simplicity -- The engine can be made to run with no connection to the electrical system save a battery to get it started, and in truly dire circumstances you can push start it.

2. Defenders are like an adult Transformer toy. Parts will interchange from as far back as the Series III, probably even some from the Series II, and it's all bolt-on, bolt-off.

3. It's a real Land Rover! (cue leaf spring chorus of disagreement...)
 
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you would be far better off importing a 300tdi disco tbh. i have a 3,9 defender that i used solely for off road but i wouldnt really choose a defender for 100% road use
 
I cant believe he's even considering importing anything really..at the fuel prices he's got.

It's gonna take years before he recoups all the costs..unless he does 100k miles a year!!

If he's got his heart set on importing a landy then tbh i'd go for a really nice and original series thats going to be an investment as well as cheaper to run.
 
I cant believe he's even considering importing anything really..at the fuel prices he's got.

It's gonna take years before he recoups all the costs..unless he does 100k miles a year!!

If he's got his heart set on importing a landy then tbh i'd go for a really nice and original series thats going to be an investment as well as cheaper to run.

I can hear you... ;)

Importing anything newer than 25 years old gets real sticky. Older than that is relatively easy.

TDI Land Rovers bring a premium price over here. There were never sold here so someone had to have it brought in or make the swap.

The 90 or 110 also brings a premium here. They started selling them here in 1993 or 94 and they still bring a price very close to their original selling price.

I would like to bring a TDI Disco in but can't, too new.

Thanks for the info!

I will not be using solely for on-road use. I will off-road it and it will be a third car for our family. I also want to use it to tow a small trailer with some ATV's. For this we drive some distance then go into the wilderness a few miles.
 
Hi Dave,
I'm a Yank too, but living in the UK. I have a 1984 (A reg!) 110, with the 300TDi, R380 5 speed and a lot of other kit from later model years.

Thanks for the informative and detailed information TS.

I want to read this over carefully a few times. I expected the 90 to be much less cabin friendly and that's fine. It will only be used occasionally on the road. I have an old Audi S6 that I use for a dd, the wife has a newer Odyssey.

My biggest concern is finding a proper truck. I need some "eyes" in the UK to check it over well. I may be asking for Landy specialist garages if I find one of interest.

Thanks Again!
 
Ill go along with what storm says ie a S11 with a tdi? maybe.All though i run a200 tdi and diesel fuel down here in Greece it's round 1.40 euros a lt imagine it being a3.9 v8:eek. Yhy not LPG it=you can get an american 110 3.9 have quiet and cheaper lpg motoring.Plus part aveilability of the v8 in the US.O and as TS888 says all the other probs/cons with defenders v8 tdi" LH RH the all aply no mater where the beasts roll and yeah we all love them.
 
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