Rear window packed in..

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lenny1234

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Buggrit!:mad:

symptoms.

1/. started by window not dropping when opening tailgate. Could push it down an inch or so and it then came back up when gate closed

2/. decided to try and free it up by lowering window using console switch. Now window is stick fully closed and wont budge. Can hear relay clicking in rear door somewhere.

Any ideas?
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One of the wires has snapped probably. Same has happened to mine. Can get a kit for £17 on eBay. Just ordered one for mine.
 
Well got the panel off today and there is a snapped cable., The motor is whirring tho.

There is a lot of corrosion at the window base..

How do I get the mechanism out?
Do I need to remove the glass first and if so how does that work?
Does the motor come with it?
Is it worth replacing the slides etc?
Where is the regulator?
 
I just went with the easy option... replaced the entire door. From experience, trying to mess about with old rusty window regulators is a risky experience, which often ends up in tears.

Once recalibrated (the longer version), it worked fine :)
 
Well got the panel off today and there is a snapped cable., The motor is whirring tho.

There is a lot of corrosion at the window base..

How do I get the mechanism out?
Do I need to remove the glass first and if so how does that work?
Does the motor come with it?
Is it worth replacing the slides etc?
Where is the regulator?

Not too bad a job; I did one a while back.

I found it easiest to have an assistant ready to pull the negative battery cable, because at times you need to have the window stopped halfway up, and as you know it has a bit of a mind of it's own.

1. Stop the window about halfway up (see above). You will see the clamps that hold the mechanism to the bottom of the glass - loosen these.
2. Undo the window heater connections - RHS as you look at it.
3. Pull the glass up and out of the clamps to the top of its travel, and wedge it there with wood or plastic.
4. The mechanism is held in the door with several (7?) 10mm bolts. As far as I remember, the bolt holes are such that once you loosen the bolt you can push it sideways and pop it through the metal - you'll see what I mean.
5. Undo the motor electrical connector.
6. Wheedle the mechanism out - I think you tilt it sideways before drawing it out. The motor will come with it.
7. The regulator is the complete mechanism.
8. When refitting, you might need to do the battery trick to get the new windodw clamps where you want them.

I hope this answers your questions.

EDIT: If your window won't move properly you might have to improvise by pushing the glass carefully down, or even trying to cut the remaining cables.
 
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just a version that also entailed holding the engine revs at 1500 for 10 seconds - mine didn't want to play otherwise
 
Not too bad a job; I did one a while back.

I found it easiest to have an assistant ready to pull the negative battery cable, because at times you need to have the window stopped halfway up, and as you know it has a bit of a mind of it's own.

1. Stop the window about halfway up (see above). You will see the clamps that hold the mechanism to the bottom of the glass - loosen these.
2. Undo the window heater connections - RHS as you look at it.
3. Pull the glass up and out of the clamps to the top of its travel, and wedge it there with wood or plastic.
4. The mechanism is held in the door with several (7?) 10mm bolts. As far as I remember, the bolt holes are such that once you loosen the bolt you can push it sideways and pop it through the metal - you'll see what I mean.
5. Undo the motor electrical connector.
6. Wheedle the mechanism out - I think you tilt it sideways before drawing it out. The motor will come with it.
7. The regulator is the complete mechanism.
8. When refitting, you might need to do the battery trick to get the new windodw clamps where you want them.

I hope this answers your questions.

EDIT: If your window won't move properly you might have to improvise by pushing the glass carefully down, or even trying to cut the remaining cables.

Hmm. The windows is stuck mostly right up although I can slide it down an inch or so, so getting the clamps done will be interesting.

Ordered complete unit with motor - as me mate said 'having the motor go in 3 weeks would be - disheartening!'
:D
 
I pulled off the trim from the driver side of the boot, and unplugged the brown plug, with 6 large contacts. The two blue wires feed the regulator motor.


I simply shoved 12v down these to raise/lower the window. Might help you get it to the right position :)
 
I pulled off the trim from the driver side of the boot, and unplugged the brown plug, with 6 large contacts. The two blue wires feed the regulator motor.


I simply shoved 12v down these to raise/lower the window. Might help you get it to the right position :)

I think with broken cables the motor won't do a damned thing. I can hear it whirring...already.

Anyway, new regulator due in at midday. We will see.
 
OK....

The short story is that its fixed. The long story is that it wasn't totally straightforward.

Stripping the door panel and trim

The spire clips were awkward to get out and I broke one.

On the door outside there is a rubber seal between the plastic panel and the metal door. It helps to take this off first as it allows better access to level the spire clips out.

It is helpful to remove the window seal completely - a couple of bolts, one at each end hold it in place. This allows better visual access to stuff you need to do and makes getting the plastic interior trim off easier.

Behind the panel there is a foam plastic sheet, which is held on in my case by a bead of tacky stuff. Carefully prise this off so you can fold the thing down.


Removing the window

..is nigh impossible unless the window is halfway down...

...Unless you loosen the motor assembly bolts, partially withdraw the motor and cut the Bowden cables with bolt cutters. A second pair of hands is helpful - or chock the window.

Then, after taking the screen heater connectors off, you can finally get a socket head onto the dreadfully corroded clamp bolts...

.. and then in my case there was a spire clip/cable the holding the heater wires to the right hand window clamp. Since the new regulator was different, we cut this one away.

Unscrewing the bolts on the rails - two nuts at top, one be at the base of each, enables everything to be removed except the cable to the motor is a pain to get off as the connector has a lock and is tight.

Now for some interesting stuff.

Problems with the replacement regulator

Having got the old one out it was apparent that the new one was not the same in some important respects.

- The window clamps were pressed steel, not mezac castings.
- The rails were a bit different
- The motor socket was under the motor instead of above it.
- it did not include the spacer studs for the lower bolts - these were retained from the old regulator assembly: Put them into the new one to the same depth as they were.

In the end the third point was the worst, because the wiring loom wouldn't reach the socket without removing two locating clips, turning one at the top round, and replacing the one nearest the motor with a tie wrap.

The new window clamps had no way to tie the window heater wires to the clamp, until I felt a little lug at the base - there was just room to get a little thin tie wrap round this lug and hold the heater wires firmly to it.

Setting up the window

We spent a long time with the bolts part loose getting the window in the correct place in the clamps and the clamp guide rails in the right place.

The trick is roughly as follows, bearing in mind you need the tailgate closed before the damned window will operate fully!! A friend is also almost mandatory.

(i) Get the clamps about halfway down somehow. Drop the window carefully into the clamps and centralise it roughly by eye. Not having the sealing strip around the window base helps enormously here.

(ii) Shut tailgate and close the window. If the auto-zeroing thing is all out, try lowering window and holding button down for 5 seconds, then switching off and on on the ignition and running the window up and holding it at the top for 5 seconds. Once window is fully closed, check lateral alignment, and the drop the window to 50% and realign window laterally before tightening the clamps.

(iii) Once in correct lateral alignment fully tighten the top bolts on the slider rails and then lower the window fully. Then tighten the lower bolts on the slider rails.

Reassembly

Is the reverse of disassembly.

Refit the foam plastic curtain thing using the original sticky gunk

Fit the sealing strip to the plastic panel outer edge and hang the panel on the top clips and tap the spire clips back into place.

Refit the 4 screws at the panel base.

Refit the window seal - this is a fiddle and best done with the window fully down.

Now check the rear wiper and washer work with the window fully up, and that the drop down works when you open the tailgate. If anything isn't quite right I think that the lower and hold, raise and hold sequence on the console switch will sort it.


AND THAT'S IT!!

Damned window even winds down on the remote locking fob if you hold the unlock button down. Can't get it to go back up mind you ;-)
 
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