Who needs relocation cones

Me it would seem ...

Ouch!!! Is that on a standard vehicle?

Yep they would help:lol:

Discokids said:

Ouch!!! Is that on a standard vehicle?

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Yeah, I was surprised how easy it is to get them completely out of the seat, jack up the side far enough to get the wheel off, they are still in (just). Three more clicks (on the HighLift) and they are clear of everything ...

So had the spring been fouling the inside of the tyre? It looks well carved up.

wots wrong with a few tie-wraps?

The Mad Hat Man said:

wots wrong with a few tie-wraps?

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Probably work but would limit axle droop, jubilee clips got to be stronger.

i did a similar thing, but the spring broke free of the lower clamp and sprung to god knows where. after 20 minutes of searching i jacked up the body and ratchet strapped a lump of tree on top of the axle and crawled home.

Brown said:

So had the spring been fouling the inside of the tyre? It looks well carved up.

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Yeah. We heard a rubbing noise but thought it was a stone or something else caught on the back somewhere... the BANG was spectacular when the tyre finally went.

lynall said:

Probably work but would limit axle droop, jubilee clips got to be stronger.

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I think you'd need a lot of cable ties and jubilee clips to hold up a rear axle .....

If you clamp up the top end of the spring all you are doing is allowing the bottom end of the spring to do the same really ok in some cases there is a metal strip holding the spring in place but the spring will soon pull over it.

you need relocation cones or longer springs

cornish rattler said:

you need relocation cones or longer springs

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I bought the cones ... wouldn't longer springs lift the body up, so you'd need longer shocks too ??

Stock worn bushes and worns springs will allow more flex and the possibility for the rear springs to become unseated. It isn't rare or uncommon.

Some thick cable ties or jubilee clips around the top of the spring and the upper seat perch will usually be fine. The lower clamps rust to buggery and may not even really exist on an older Landy. So replace these with some HD ones.

You could use dislocation cones, but it's a bit over kill for the amount of dislocation you are getting.

miktdish said:

I bought the cones ... wouldn't longer springs lift the body up, so you'd need longer shocks too ??

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It depends you can buy the same spec springs but slightly longer so would allow you to jack up more and provided you only used the landy on the road you should be fine with std shocks but if you go off road then yes you will need longer shocks

miktdish said:

I bought the cones ... wouldn't longer springs lift the body up, so you'd need longer shocks too ??

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Yes and no.

Remember the suspension is a system and not a single component. So to get it to work to it's best you need the right mix of components.

As for body, well with ladder chassis vehicles it is better if you think of it as 3 sections.

1. Body
2. Chassis
3. Axles.

As you can lift the body away from the chassis in a different kind of lift.


Lift springs will lift the chassis away from the axles, it just happens the body is attached to the chassis.


As for the longer spring. Well you get different kinds of longer spring. Some are a higher spring rate and will lift the vehicle at rest. This doesn't affect the total travel you have available, but means the shocks are already more extended. So when you require a wheel to droop, they have less available downward travel.

HD springs may also require more weight to full compress. So while the amount of upward travel is unchanged, you may not be able to utilise it.

And depending on the spring design, it maybe become coil bound before you fully compress the shock so could lead to less upward travel being available.


There are longer softer springs, these shouldn't really lift the vehicle. But will remain seated for longer, as their uncompressed length is greater.

Done that myself bud, I only found out when I'd driven home from Wales to Leicestershire and couldn't work out what the rumbling noise was, fortunately I've got BFG KM2's and the lugs protected the tyre so no harm done

300bhp/ton said:

Yes and no.
There are longer softer springs, these shouldn't really lift the vehicle. But will remain seated for longer, as their uncompressed length is greater.

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That's what I need ......
I have bought some dislocation cones and some Terrafirma 'medium load' springs which i'll stand against my originals - pics to follow.

Marmaduke said:

Done that myself bud, I only found out when I'd driven home from Wales to Leicestershire and couldn't work out what the rumbling noise was, fortunately I've got BFG KM2's and the lugs protected the tyre so no harm done

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That's exactly what my spring looked like .... you were lucky

Marmaduke said:

Done that myself bud, I only found out when I'd driven home from Wales to Leicestershire and couldn't work out what the rumbling noise was, fortunately I've got BFG KM2's and the lugs protected the tyre so no harm done

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that's nice an shiney.. can i get my wheels to rub my rusty chassis?

New springs (used/eBay purchase) arrived today. Terraform medium duty, standard length (said the advert) however I notice they are different lengths ??

The two rear spring (right in the pic) are 15mm different (?) the longest being 420mm - is this normal ??