Wheel not in centre of arch!

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robhtid

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I have just swapped my wheels over and have noticed my front NS wheel is off centre to the rear of the car by probably 20mm! Not noticable with standard wheels but with my larger set on turning that wheel clips the cill cover and the other is perfect??

I have been underneath many times and the cassis is in fantastic nick nothing bent or rotten, 3months ago I had my other set of wheels balanced and 4 wheel alignment done and it drives arrow straight and brakes without pulling.

I'm confused... I'll get it on a ramp this weekend for a proper look but has anyone come accross this?

Thanks in advance
 
If the wheel centres each side measures the same it’s likely the body is twisted somehow,
Possibly old accident damage assuming the chassis is good,
 
I've just had a rough measure and I get 255 offside and 253 near side so that wheel is 20mm back! :eek::(

Have you checked the length of the radius arms and the bushes? although if the bushes were that knackered I would have thought you would have heard the clunk.

Cheers
 
Just been out and had another look and the mount where the radius arm meets the chassis has been shunted back! Will the be able to be jigged straight?!
 
Just been out and had another look and the mount where the radius arm meets the chassis has been shunted back! Will the be able to be jigged straight?!

How did it have 4 wheel alignement then? You need to speak to a repair shop as it will need to be rejigged right or replaced.

So what have you hit?

Cheers
 
Me... nothing... my mrs???

I'm thinking it must have been before alignment as it was abit wandery then and its driven perfect since the alignment. Im wondering if they only aligned from the front wheels and not 4 as I wasnt there when it was done and the receipt just says "alignment" although 4 wheel was spoke of. I'll ring them tomorrow
 
What car?
Can only adjust 4 wheel alignment on D3 and D4, earlier shtiters are pretty much fixed.
D1 not unusual to have wheels looking odd in the arches.

If tyres wearing okay dont worry
 
It's a d2 tyre wear if fine and drives great just now I have a wheel rubbing on half lock. I'll see if I can get it pulled as the bolt through the radius arm is at an angle so will need to be changed and re brushed in the future anyway looking at it
 
It's a d2 tyre wear if fine and drives great just now I have a wheel rubbing on half lock. I'll see if I can get it pulled as the bolt through the radius arm is at an angle so will need to be changed and re brushed in the future anyway looking at it

Gis a piccie.....please.

Cheers
 

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I cant find anyone that's willing to pull this out for me! Some arent interested and one guy wants the body taking off. It's a substantial bracket to smash forward with big hammer and bending things twice will only weaken it!

What I'm thinking of doing is as the chassis looks good is cut the bolt out, order a new bolt and brush. Weld a 4mm plate over the old hole and drill a new hole through the two in the right place? Then using a few triangles of the 4mm plate weld in a few supports so it cannot move any further. What do you lot think, I'm interested to hear opinions as this is only an option.

I know this is abit of a bodge but I'm not planning on selling the car and I cant see an issue with it strength wise and will be pretty easy to do

The old other thing I can think of is finding a scraper and cutting the whole thing off and transferring it over but it will be very difficult with the body on...

Thanks
 


That must have been in some hefty smack at some time to do that?
Now me being a lazy fcuktard would simply remove the bolt, remove the radius arm, put new bolt in until it touches the out of line bracket, get a die grinder and slot the hole until the bolt slid in nicely, refit radius arm and the bolt, fit a fat washer on the bolt refit nut and tighten, then weld washer to the bent bracket, pretty simple fix?
Wont be millimetre perfect, but got to be better than what is there now.
 
Right, this is extremely similar to what happened with my rear axle, only mine was much worse.
Yes, obvioucly, you need to change the bolt, then use the bolt to work out where the other mount part needs to be. Bash the cr@p out of it to get it as near as poss then file the hole in it until it is in exactly the right position.
Once there, weld a substantial penny washer into place on the mount.
Once this was done, my new axle located perfectly to the body and when I took it to an alignement shop, that wheel was better positioned than all the others.
Here is the wheel position before work was carried out.
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I think you'll agree this was a lot worse than 20 mm!
Here is the displaced position of the bent bolt and it's mount
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Most of the displacement was taken up by the bend in the axle.
As you can see, it bent at the point where it was attached by the radius arm.
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So it pulled on the radius arm which in turn bent the bolt at the chassis and moved the mounting point. So the damage to the mounting point was not too bad. With a replacement axle and the work as I described to the chassis mounting point all is now well.
So it may be worth you looking at your axle to be sure there is no bend in it. Otherwise the type of work I have described will repair the mounting point and make it solid enough for a good repair.
What I'm thinking of doing is as the chassis looks good is cut the bolt out, order a new bolt and brush. Weld a 4mm plate over the old hole and drill a new hole through the two in the right place? Then using a few triangles of the 4mm plate weld in a few supports so it cannot move any further. What do you lot think, I'm interested to hear opinions as this is only an option.
This will be more than enough.
This is actually more than I got done so welding the plate/washer will be all you need to do. The main thing supporting the bolt is the tube, the rest is only there to hold the bolt in position in relation to the radius arm. The bolt is what takes the strain. If you try to weld 4 mm plate all over the place you will need a longer bolt!! You do not need to make it stronger than the original.
Best of luck!
 

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That must have been in some hefty smack at some time to do that?
Now me being a lazy fcuktard would simply remove the bolt, remove the radius arm, put new bolt in until it touches the out of line bracket, get a die grinder and slot the hole until the bolt slid in nicely, refit radius arm and the bolt, fit a fat washer on the bolt refit nut and tighten, then weld washer to the bent bracket, pretty simple fix?
Wont be millimetre perfect, but got to be better than what is there now.
@lynall as you will see from what I posted that is more or less exactly what got done to mine which suffered far heavier damage than OP's.
Given enough time it will be millimetre perfect as was proven by mine getting such a good print out from the alignment place. Best wheel position on the car!
Time consuming but simple fix, as you say!:):):)
 
I cant find anyone that's willing to pull this out for me! Some arent interested and one guy wants the body taking off. It's a substantial bracket to smash forward with big hammer and bending things twice will only weaken it!

What I'm thinking of doing is as the chassis looks good is cut the bolt out, order a new bolt and brush. Weld a 4mm plate over the old hole and drill a new hole through the two in the right place? Then using a few triangles of the 4mm plate weld in a few supports so it cannot move any further. What do you lot think, I'm interested to hear opinions as this is only an option.

I know this is abit of a bodge but I'm not planning on selling the car and I cant see an issue with it strength wise and will be pretty easy to do

The old other thing I can think of is finding a scraper and cutting the whole thing off and transferring it over but it will be very difficult with the body on...

Thanks
And supplementary to what I also posted, don't bother with a new bush, unlikely you'll need it, and a total pain to do!:):):)
 
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