Very Confused is it a 300tdi or not????

I have just purchased a 300 tdi engine to replace the N/A deisel in my 110 Defender. All was well until I got the engine home and had a look at the engine identification number. The number is 95A91367 which means it should be a '2500TD VM engine' (what ever one of those are) and not a 300tdi. Should I sent it back or use it for a replacement. I'm totally confused as it looks identical to a 300tdi in every way as you can see from the pictures, Note the vac servo pump is missing and has been blanked off?? other than that it seems to be a complete 300tdi engine with the wrong block number. Any info greatly received. (one the conversion, I guess I only need wire up the starter, alternator, fuel solinoid and water temp gauge, all the rest can be left unconnected, just want to make sure) Thanks in advance. Mark

The 300 tdi is a 2500 TD engine, the 300 is the model but it's still a 2.5 Turbo diesel so no, i reckon you're OK! And yes, it does look like a 300 so it probably is!

deffo looks like a 300 tdi to me ......

Yep. It's a 300tdi.

ahh great my mind is at rest, so I can get on with intsalling the big lump, safe in the knowledge that it is really a 300tdi not some lookalike.
So all this engine block number nonesense and all the talk of 'vm' engines is basically rubbish, it is a 300 tdi and thats that.

Thanks Again.

i cant help with the engine number but its deffo a 300tdi from what i can see ..... good luck ..

I do believe that the engine number you refer to is that of a 2500TD VM .
2400TD VM engines begin 11A followed by serial no
2500TD VM engines begin 95a " " "
200Tdi engines begin 14l " " "
300Tdi engines begin with one of the following
17L
18L
19L
20L
21L
22L
The above info is in reference to the Range Rover Classic.
I trust it is of some use to you ,bearing in mind Discovery and Defenders also used them.(engines)

ahh, so what your saying is ist not a 300tdi but it is a 2500td vm engine. But what exactly is this engine?? and where does it come from?? i cant seam to find any reference to it, am i looking at the same sort of power as a tdi?? All the ancillaries look the same as 300 tdi bits, even down to the plastic covers etc, I sont want to go fit it and find its not suitable.

With regard to the RRC the first engine fitted was the (italian) VM 2400 4cyl turbocharged and intercooled .Essentially the same engine that was fitted to the Rover SDI saloon from1982 onwards,but was not fitted with an intercooler.In October 1989,the 2400TD engine was replaced by the 2500TD which was a longer stroke version of its predecessor.
In November 1992 the VM 2500TD was replaced by Landrovers own 200tdi engine which was already fitted to the Discovery and Defender.
In March 1994,the 200tdi was replaced by the 300tdi.
Like the VM engines ,the 200 and 300tdi are (2500cc) 4cyl turbocharged and intercooled diesels.Unlike the Italian diesels however,they are direct injection engines.The workshop manual(Landrover) covers both the VM ENGINE AND TDI engines as seperate sections in relation to the Range Rover from 1990 to 1994.
I hope the above is of some use .
You could of course always contact Gaydon Archives with the engine number and they would tell you for certain the vehicle ,engine type details etc it even came from
Good luck.

its a 300 but its missing the platic cover that covers the rockers and manifold ?

If i remember correctly the VMs had individual heads, ie, 1 head per pot.

Whatever it is, and I think it looks like a 300, it isn't a VM, they have individual cylinder heads.

Sorry, didn't notice the thread ran to a second page.

Defender 300tdi engines begin 16L, except mine which is 21L which should be a Disco engine but they are the same anyway.

I would be very suspicious of an engine where the engine number has been changed, which yours has. Could be stolen ....

The other alternative is that it is a Brazilian-made 300tdi (it isn't the 2.8) as fitted to rest of world Defenders instead of the TD5 engine. That may be why it has the vac pump blanked off because I know that the 2.8 motor has a Bosch alternator with vacuum pump fitted. I don't know what numbers the Brazilian engines use for the 300tdi but someone must know.

Ask Bogmonster on the LR4x4 forum, he has a 2005 or 6 90 with a 300tdi engine as he lives in the Falklands.

Thanks for the help, so I'm defo looking at a 300tdi with a possible dodgy engine number or possibly from another country, if you look at the photos you can see there is less texture in the area with the engine identification stamp, umm.

Anyway shes going in a few days and we will see.. Any pre fitting advice would be much appreciated, might take some photos and post them up if anyone would be interested.

can you post a good quality picture of the engine number and the area surrounding it as we may be able to tell if it's a grind/re stamp jobbie

you might like to block out some of the actual numbering

The code 21L is a 300TDi engine made from 1999 and fitted to discos and other models. 300TDi engines have many codes eg. 16,17,18 etc. Anyway a 21L made from 1999 with slight internal improvements.
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Diesel Engines
Diesel engines were introduced as an option for the Range Rover in April 1986. The first diesel engine fitted was the (Italian) VM 2400 4-cyl, which was turbocharged and intercooled for the Range Rover application. This is essentially the same engine as fitted to the Rover SD1 saloon from 1982 onwards, except that the slightly lower powered SD1 engine was not fitted with an intercooler. In October 1989, the 2400 TD engine was replaced by the 2500TD, which is a longer stroke version of its predecessor. Vehicles fitted with VM turbo diesel engines were only available with manual transmission. In November 1992, the VM 2500TD engine was replaced by Land Rover's own diesel unit, the 200Tdi, which was already fitted to the Discovery and Defender. In March 1994, the 200Tdi was replaced by the 300Tdi. Like the VM engines, the 200 & 300Tdi are (2500cc) 4-cyl turbocharged and intercooled diesels. Unlike the Italian diesels, however, they are direct injection engines. Only the 300Tdi was available from Land Rover with automatic transmission.

Engine Identification;

2400 TD VM engines begin 11A, followed by a serial no.
2500TD VM engines begin 95A, followed by a serial no.
200Tdi engines begin 41L, with a serial no.
300Tdi engines begin with one of the following :- 17L, 18L, 19L, 20L, 21L or 22L depending on engine & transmission type, followed by a serial no.

Yeah. For a full fitting guide read my thread!

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f7/300-tdi-upgrade-61619.html

It may well be a VM block with a 300 head, but the block looks like a 300 to me.

odenne said:

The 300 tdi is a 2500 TD engine, the 300 is the model but it's still a 2.5 Turbo diesel so no, i reckon you're OK! And yes, it does look like a 300 so it probably is!

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300TDi's are 2.5TDi's but aren't the 2500TD VM italian engine though pal

They're brazilian, built by international engines.