Veggie power

mikedrinkwater said:

Hi Folks!
A small price update, Bookers Cash & Carry knock out 20Ltrs veggie for £19-86 a box. The containers are well worth keeping!

If you can get any used oil, here is a very simple and cheap, no extra chemicals needed, to create fuel at circa 40P litre:
buy yourself a cheap chest freezer (secondhand is best)
Stick one or two cut off 20 Ltr containers in it, full of used filtered oil
Chill it down till the water and crud scum can be scraped out
Mix residue 60:40 with fresh veggie oil
Use with 30:70 mix of diesel to oil mix (thats 30% diesel)
In winter you might need, depending where you ae, to add a half cup of petrol per 5 lyrs to avoid waxing.

Small advice to folk buying bulk oil, do it in smaller lumps, say 3 or 4 boxes max at a time, also dont fill up in supermarket car parks - it can beg a question you might not want to answer

best of luck!
PS My last P38 reg was B10 FBF (Bio four by four) if you see it around, would be interested to know if it was still using oil.

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Mike,interested in your chilling de-watering idea....do you have any more details,pics,links ?

Hi
Never thought to document the procedure! But I will next run and pop them here. It is however as simple as it sounds, the mix ratios are just finger in air, its not critical, it will probably work neat. I got the idea when I first started playing with veg, putting a litre bottle in the freezer to see where the viscosity got silly thick. The bio-diesel conversion processes are very clever, but for an old Landy engine, not really necessary, they seem to work on anything. PS I would not recommend this on any newer engines, particularly single-rail.

Enjoy!

My local landlord has just started selling food, I can get all his WVO if I can give him something to prove that he is disposing of it legally. Is there anywhere I can get an official certificate or will a hand written receipt do?

Check with environment agency as he may only need to keep waste records and consignment note-they may stiff you for a waste carrier and brokers licence though

Will do. Cheers.

what you need to give him is a waste transfer note (wtn) you don't have to have a waste carriers licence
see here for more info.

Rules and Regulations - Biopowered

as you are local, i can help you out if you want. I am off to westbury now to collect some oil from one of my suppliers, just do me a favour and don't start putting out flyers saying you will pay for it, it just ups the price for everyone and you end up in a bidding war that only benifits the supplier.

send me a pm and i will give you my address if you wantb to pop over.

get a consignment note template off the ea website.Cannot be wrong then.

Got a link for the lazy on that one,Goon?

2nd one down
Let me google that for you

Aaaah,its so much easier when you get someone else to do the work....dont you find?

thanks mate...it was a sort of facetious question....I knew that SOMEONE would ask,so I thought I would do the honours and get it over with

it was a sort of facesous answer too

goonarmy said:

2nd one down
Let me google that for you

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Cheers for that Goonarmy, I'd never thought of looking for a template. I've just been giving people a note from an old invoice book stating how much oil I take and when but that looks a bit more professional.

barmatt said:

Cheers for that Goonarmy, I'd never thought of looking for a template. I've just been giving people a note from an old invoice book stating how much oil I take and when but that looks a bit more professional.

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fill it out completely and you cannot be wrong, EA issue it, EA check it.

Just had an email from EA, it pretty much confirms what has already been said.

Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding collecting waste vegetable oil to produce bio diesel/
If you intend to make bio diesel for your own personal use you don't need an exemption or an environmental permit for the activity. However, you do need to ensure that you comply with the key conditions of the exemptions relating to bio diesel production.

T19 exemption - physical treatment of waste edible oil and fat to produce bio diesel

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/permitting/116252.aspx


U5 exemption - use of waste-derived bio diesel as fuel

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/permitting/116312.aspx
A waste carriers licence is not needed when any waste oil or fat is collected if you are:

obtaining the oil or fat to make bio diesel for their own use in their own private vehicle
not profiting from the activity
not making the bio diesel as part of a commercial or business enterprise.
A waste transfer note should be completed if you collect the oil or fat from a business, such as a chip shop.

In section C1 you will need to put your home address. In section C2 you would tick the box for 'Exempt from requirement to register as a carrier' and explain that you are collecting the oil or fat to make bio diesel for your own personal use.

Both parties should keep a copy of the waste transfer note for two years.

A waste transfer note is not needed if waste oil or fat is being transported between private individuals making bio diesel for their own personal use.

Further information about duty of care requirements and a copy of a waste transfer note can be downloaded from our website.

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/business/topics/waste/40047.aspx

I trust this information is useful.

Thank you for contacting the Environment Agency.

Hi guys, Can we have a straight answer on this. Can you use veg. oil in a td5. The books say no, some on this topic say yes and others say don't do it.

I used to put biodiesel in my frontera( i know, i know) and over a short period it lost a lot of power, so I am bit sceptical but am desperate for a yes or no so I can run the motor cheaper.

cheers

mastiff said:

Hi guys, Can we have a straight answer on this. Can you use veg. oil in a td5.
cheers

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you can't have a straight answer

go with the book no

some have used it and gotaway with it. Others like my brother did not and it ****ed it up good. so if indought dont do it but at the end of the day it is your car so it is up to you.

on another note the tesco down my way, has veg oil for £1 1L yet has the 3L for £3.40 a bit odd

Well that cleared that up. I think.

mastiff said:

Well that cleared that up. I think.

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Ok then bio diesel yes they can run on that. But has to be good quality.

SVO WVO is a NO NO.
It ****es up the injectors and at about £300-£400 each new that is one bad day out

Mastiff,the best idea would be to go look at this forum....

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