Freelander 1 V6 HeadGasket - what tests to run

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err, that's what I said ;) - that is why I also suggested testing for leaks at the expansion cap :rolleyes::)
We know the system is over pressurising due to the coolant pressure test when running rising to >19 psi (when test was stopped) so even if there is a slight leak from somewhere else in the system, the pressure is too great to be caused by anything else apart from combustion pressure leak to water gallery
o_O:)
 
Joe_H said:
err, that's what I said ;) - that is why I also suggested testing for leaks at the expansion cap :rolleyes::)
We know the system is over pressurising due to the coolant pressure test when running rising to >19 psi (when test was stopped) so even if there is a slight leak from somewhere else in the system, the pressure is too great to be caused by anything else apart from combustion pressure leak to water gallery
o_O:)
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Agreed. All tests carried out are pointing to HGF, I'm sorry to say.
If the engine has been run low on coolant at some point, that will cause the fire ring seal to fail. The liners expand more than the head gasket, resulting in a tiny amounts of combustion gas leakage.
 
Rich in Vancouver said:
On my V6 I had a leak from the front intake manifold gasket. The water passages pass through the gasket at the lower outer corners.
The leak on mine saw coolant coming out at high pressure which pooled in the vee of the block under the thermostat.
Here is a pic of the water passage with the manifold off. You can see the remains of the black aftermarket gasket next to the bolt of the alternator mount. It failed at the bottom edge and was very difficult to see as the leak was about the diameter of a sewing needle.
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Hi Rich, do you have that picture handy?
 
Joe_H said:
err, that's what I said ;) - that is why I also suggested testing for leaks at the expansion cap :rolleyes::)
We know the system is over pressurising due to the coolant pressure test when running rising to >19 psi (when test was stopped) so even if there is a slight leak from somewhere else in the system, the pressure is too great to be caused by anything else apart from combustion pressure leak to water gallery
o_O:)
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Thanks Joe_H for pointing that out. I don't know and was speculating that air could be coming into the system and that might have raise the pressure, but it seems both you and Nodge68 say this cannot happen.

Good thing I have a head gasket kit on order...
 
Well I received my gasket set today. Brand allmakes4x4 GS004. Supper cheap for Canada, it was CAD$230 including shipping and customs.

It includes BGA head bolts. I was wondering if there is any ways to compare the head gasket ? I just took many pictures bellow to show what came with it.

I might buy one Land Rover OEM gasket and compare. Any thoughts?

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HI Zefrench and others - :)

Thought I would post this for your 'entertainment' - this is what you might call an extreme case of coolant to oil transfer that actually not HGF related.. YIKES and BLOODY HELL;)

Errrrrrrrrrrrr, to put it mildly - not something one would desire on their horseless carriage.....:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Just goes to show there is always some poor sod worse off than yourself:oops:

Joe ;)
 
Rich in Vancouver said:
I wish my coolant looked that clean!
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Hello Rich ... lol :) bloody hell though - did you see that 'ventilated block' !! amazing - parts went clean through the block and also out of the sump pan - what a real catastrophic failure where the rotating bets let go in a massive way.... That is a real - one for the books - !!!
I bet the driver didn't know that adrenaline was brown...................:eek:
:D
 
This is a KV6 crank failure. It was attributed to the engine sucking up water at some point before it eventually disintegrated.
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Nodge68 said:
This is a KV6 crank failure. It was attributed to the engine sucking up water at some point before it eventually disintegrated.View attachment 106161
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Can you post a pic with all the bits glued back together Nodge ??? - I am sure it was easy..:rolleyes:

A few hours work,,, looks like a flesh would only..
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Joe_H said:
Can you post a pic with all the bits glued back together Nodge ??? - I am sure it was easy..:rolleyes:

A few hours work,,, looks like a flesh would only..
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No. The rest of the bits drained out with the oil!!
I've seen this kind of failure a couple of times. It's difficult to put a cause to it, but ingestion of water is the most likely cause.
 
Probably just a bit of timing chain rattle :D - I think the pics are just there to mislead us :rolleyes:
I did find an LR special service bulletin regarding this very issue though ! (LR KV6 - SEMTEX - 100.101.XH.2000)
The advice basically was to remove said offending lump of scrap and replace with an L series.
LR never had an issue after that and even continued to EXTEND the FIX for the K series and the TD4 'thing'

In black and white - that is the answer.:eek:

L for Luxury . K for KerBANG - or 'Kin Coolant'. 'TD' is for TOTAL DISASTER - 4 is for '4 fecks sake - why didnt you buy an L series you plonker':oops:

:oops:
 
Ouch! :eek:
One of our North American Freelander owners went through 5 KV6's on his Freelander (on warranty!) before he got fed up sold it.
My own Hippo was bought back from the original owner by JLR, probably for the same reason. It's got 125,000km on it now so it seems they solved the problem!
Back in the early 80's we had a young woman's MGB towed into our shop with an engine issue. It had broken down at the highest pass in the Rocky Mountains. The oil light had come on so she thought she would drive to the next town-She didn't make it!
We pulled the head off and discovered a piston had disintegrated. All that was there was a rod and wrist pin with some alloy lumps atop it. She didn't have any money after the 500 mile tow bill so we pulled the oil pan, cleaned out all of the bits of alloy and piston rings, honed the bore, installed a piston we found under a bench with new rings and sent her on her way. We never heard from her again, which means that either the car kept running happily or it blew up a week later!
 
Rich in Vancouver said:
Ouch! :eek:
One of our North American Freelander owners went through 5 KV6's on his Freelander (on warranty!) before he got fed up sold it.
My own Hippo was bought back from the original owner by JLR, probably for the same reason. It's got 125,000km on it now so it seems they solved the problem!
Back in the early 80's we had a young woman's MGB towed into our shop with an engine issue. It had broken down at the highest pass in the Rocky Mountains. The oil light had come on so she thought she would drive to the next town-She didn't make it!
We pulled the head off and discovered a piston had disintegrated. All that was there was a rod and wrist pin with some alloy lumps atop it. She didn't have any money after the 500 mile tow bill so we pulled the oil pan, cleaned out all of the bits of alloy and piston rings, honed the bore, installed a piston we found under a bench with new rings and sent her on her way. We never heard from her again, which means that either the car kept running happily or it blew up a week later!
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Had a similar occurrence with an 6 month old Audi R8. Oil light came on in Winchester... Drove to Basingstoke (15 miles) before getting it checked. Engine sounded like a bag of bolts. When we told her engine was a right-off, she insisted on driving it away so she could "complain to Audi, as this shouldn't happen under warranty" .
 
The Mad Hat Man said:
Had a similar occurrence with an 6 month old Audi R8. Oil light came on in Winchester... Drove to Basingstoke (15 miles) before getting it checked. Engine sounded like a bag of bolts. When we told her engine was a right-off, she insisted on driving it away so she could "complain to Audi, as this shouldn't happen under warranty" .
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I don't understand your concerns dude ..... ;) Seems perfectly fair to me. what is the issue with you ? ;) (you considered it a right off - (maybe a WRITE OFF) (perhaps that was her issue - with your spelling ?) - however ...............................
IT SHOULDN'T happen under warranty - she was quite correct - slightly optimistic in her ability to get to the dealer - but otherwise quite right -

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You are, of course, perfectly correct!

Not in any of your assumptions, but I should have put "write off" & not "right off". I stand castigated, humiliated and will not, therefore, need to instruct you any further.
 
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