Most rear carriers open and close with the rear door, they are attached but put no weight on the door.
I think they look quite good plus all the practical stuff as well.
To carrier, or not to carrier
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Most rear carriers open and close with the rear door, they are attached but put no weight on the door.
I think they look quite good plus all the practical stuff as well.
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I have seen the very occasional case of roof mounting.......
zeaphod
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Been there. PITA and a bit dangerous to access - and can affect handling. For the expedition vehicle only, IMHO. You'd be surprised how high/far a heavy wheel will bounce if dropped off the roof!
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ah...ok sounds better..thanks for that
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Here's a couple of piccys, you can see the gap to the rear door.
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The Paddock carrier is arriving today.
Can't wait to have a look at it and to remind myself how incompetent I am at DIY before realising I have to pay someone else to fit it for me!
Can't wait to have a look at it and to remind myself how incompetent I am at DIY before realising I have to pay someone else to fit it for me!
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The Paddock carrier is arriving today.
Can't wait to have a look at it and to remind myself how incompetent I am at DIY before realising I have to pay someone else to fit it for me!
You won't need to pay someone else to do it for you. It's quite straightforward, really. You do have to drill holes through the body capping and the door.
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Thanks. Got bank holiday coming up, so that's on the list for that weekend.
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Having experienced most methods of carrying a spare wheel over the years (all of which are listed below) I have to say that the swing-away carrier is by far the best and easiest to live with.
Standard rear-door mounting is ok but it does strain the door & hinges over time and can limit you on the size & type of wheel / tyre combination you can fit.
Roof is a last resort as many people would struggle to lift it up / down safely, you would need some sort of carrier / roof-rack and of course the COG & drag is increased. Not a good idea in my opinion.
Internal is great as it is protected from the sun plus is relatively secure but it does take up a fair amount of space
Bonnet keeps it out of the way but if it is a wide tyre and you are short then you will struggle to see over it. Add to the equation that some people would struggle to lift the bonnet (which means that regular checks may be postponed) and it is not an ideal solution for everyone. Also you need the correct mount and (even more important) the correct stay.
The Pivlock was about the first commercially available swingaway carrier around, it is independent of the rear door and can be locked in the open position. Works fine if you only ever have to open the door from the outside but if you carry passengers in the back then it means that it is impossible to open it from the inside with the carrier in the closed position.
After that all manor of manufacturers got in on the act and now you have a wide choice of swingaweay carriers, they all do more or less the same thing but in different ways and some with a greater degree of sophistication.
This is my WH carrier which has given 15-years of faultless service (it is a normal rear-door model but just connected to my side-hinged tailgate).
I had it galvanised a few years ago as the original powder-coating had given up the ghost but apart from the occasional squeeze of grease into the nipples and a squirt of WD40, that is it.
Standard rear-door mounting is ok but it does strain the door & hinges over time and can limit you on the size & type of wheel / tyre combination you can fit.
Roof is a last resort as many people would struggle to lift it up / down safely, you would need some sort of carrier / roof-rack and of course the COG & drag is increased. Not a good idea in my opinion.
Internal is great as it is protected from the sun plus is relatively secure but it does take up a fair amount of space
Bonnet keeps it out of the way but if it is a wide tyre and you are short then you will struggle to see over it. Add to the equation that some people would struggle to lift the bonnet (which means that regular checks may be postponed) and it is not an ideal solution for everyone. Also you need the correct mount and (even more important) the correct stay.
The Pivlock was about the first commercially available swingaway carrier around, it is independent of the rear door and can be locked in the open position. Works fine if you only ever have to open the door from the outside but if you carry passengers in the back then it means that it is impossible to open it from the inside with the carrier in the closed position.
After that all manor of manufacturers got in on the act and now you have a wide choice of swingaweay carriers, they all do more or less the same thing but in different ways and some with a greater degree of sophistication.
This is my WH carrier which has given 15-years of faultless service (it is a normal rear-door model but just connected to my side-hinged tailgate).
I had it galvanised a few years ago as the original powder-coating had given up the ghost but apart from the occasional squeeze of grease into the nipples and a squirt of WD40, that is it.
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Just received and unwrapped.
So what are the two spare bolts for exactly???
So what are the two spare bolts for exactly???
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OH MY GOD!!! Nothing is straight forward!!
I can't even figure it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't even figure it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No instructions or parts drawing in the kit?
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Nope. Only this online http://www.paddockspares.com/media/downloadable/Fitting_Instructions_for_PM287.pdf
But...only one hole lines up on the bottom, so I guess I have to drill through the front AND rear section of the rear crossmember as the bolts are so long (my rechargeable drill isn't man enough!!) but then the metal backing plate will sit partially above the top lip at the back (behind) the crossmember so can't line up with any of the bottom crossmember holes!
I'm feeling pretty deflated by it all if I'm honest! Especially as it's just come back from having the rear lock changed, and it doesn't lock!!
But...only one hole lines up on the bottom, so I guess I have to drill through the front AND rear section of the rear crossmember as the bolts are so long (my rechargeable drill isn't man enough!!) but then the metal backing plate will sit partially above the top lip at the back (behind) the crossmember so can't line up with any of the bottom crossmember holes!
I'm feeling pretty deflated by it all if I'm honest! Especially as it's just come back from having the rear lock changed, and it doesn't lock!!
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Well the link is to fitting instructions for the old Pivlock type carrier (I used to have one on my S111 SWB V8 back in the 1980's, carried the 9.00x16 spare without problems for several years over all sorts of terrain) which does not open with the rear door, is this what you were after?
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This is the pivlock one from Paddocks
http://www.paddockspares.com/pm287-paddock-swingaway-rear-spare-wheel-carrier.html
http://www.paddockspares.com/pm287-paddock-swingaway-rear-spare-wheel-carrier.html
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I had to go for this because then the previous owner fitted the rear door (it used to be a pickup) they fitted the bottom hinge too low so couldn't use their other carrier, so this was the best option.
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No problem with the Pivlock type carrier (was actually made by Bullivant Engineering and sold as the Pivlock) but is it what you want?
You do realise that if someone is in the rear of the vehicle they have no way to get out unless the carrier has already been opened? This was not a problem for me as I NEVER carried anyone in the rear but I don't know what your situation is.
I can see from the photo posted earlier in this thread that the Paddocks swingaway carrier has its lower mount very close to the bottom hinge so if your hinge has been fitted even lower then it would cause you a problem. You can see from my photos that my carrier however is mounted further to the right so would not interfere with the door-hinge and would allow you to fit a carrier that opens with the door which is what you really need if you ever think you will be carrying someone in the back.
You do realise that if someone is in the rear of the vehicle they have no way to get out unless the carrier has already been opened? This was not a problem for me as I NEVER carried anyone in the rear but I don't know what your situation is.
I can see from the photo posted earlier in this thread that the Paddocks swingaway carrier has its lower mount very close to the bottom hinge so if your hinge has been fitted even lower then it would cause you a problem. You can see from my photos that my carrier however is mounted further to the right so would not interfere with the door-hinge and would allow you to fit a carrier that opens with the door which is what you really need if you ever think you will be carrying someone in the back.
