TD5 instrument binnacle, Raptor dash and pod

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cowasaki

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Well, it's all installed and working :)

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The price was not cheap (around £400 in total) though but I think it was worth it:

£170.00 Raptor dash (with switches, bespoke bottom & standard top) + Raptor pod
£ 6.00 Raptor decals (not yet in place)
£ 23.95 Raptor trim panels
£ 65.00 TD5 complete binnacle including speedo, clock, temp gauge & fuel gauge.
£ 16.95 50m assorted wire (5 black, 5 brown, 5 white, 8 red, 1 white/yellow, 1 green/purple, 5 red/white, 1 red/yellow, 1 blue/white, 1 yellow black, 1 brown/white, 1 green/white, 1 green/red, 1 grey/white, 1 black/white, 1 white/green, 1 black/blue, 1 green/blue, 1 green/black, 1 brown/yellow, 5 purple/yellow)
£ 31.20 All the connectors for PaulMc (£3.25 - transducer plug, £12.95 - speedo connectors, £2.95 - clock connector, £10.95 warning light connectors & £1.10 Postage)
£ 36.00 Genuine landrover transducer
£ 15.00 2 Pairs of ATX connectors, crimps, tape, cable protectors
£ 6.00 LED bulbs
£ 4.95 6 fuse box
£ 3.30 ROW spec 300TDi water temperature sender (AMR1425)

Then I spent £71.50 on the CB and £37 on the boost gauge (I had the ammeter and volt gauge already) :D


Fitting the Raptor dash was absolute simplicity, it came with a template (which they suggest you fix to some hardboard then screw to the screw holes for the plastic rear wash wipe/cigarette lighter plate). I simply folded the paper template along the cut lines and stuck screws through the hold then marked the vertical lines and horizontal line. I then cut it out with a cutting disc on the grinder :D After that it just slots into place and you drill several holes through the rear of the existing dash back the screw it into place. The pod was similarly easy to fit although my dash was slimmer than normal for some reason which meant the the screws ran out of thread. They sent me new ones the next day and I used a load of washers to make sure they didn't bottom out again.

The Raptor stuff is supremely well made and even came with a few spare screws etc. Phil from Raptor even rang me up to discuss my layout for the bottom plate giving me a better layout which works very well.

All in all I am very happy with it.

As for the TD5 dash, well thats easy in theory! The practice is not particularly hard but several things went wrong that needed sorting. The first issue was the transducer. I fitted it 5 or 6 times until it actually spun correctly and sent the pulses. I wired up the instruments from scratch using all the standard connectors which I got from PaulMC. Some of the diagrams on the net don't make it clear if you are viewing the connector from the socket side or the plug side so I managed to wire the 16 pin connector backwards! Anyway I got it all working in the end. I've fitted LED bulbs and it is a VAST improvement over the standard 300 TDi dash.

Issues:

Temperature gauge - Well it doesn't work even though I used the correct sender. The wiring is absolutely correct so I think that there is something wrong with the gauge. It jumps to hot when you touch the sender wire to ground but it just doesn't work as it should. The temp gauge is a little tatty so I plan to get a new TD5 gauge later and sort it then. I've temporarily wired up the original sender to the original gauge in the pod as I had a space there anyway.

Trailer light - I didn't like the trailer flashing once as the indicators go on so I cut the trailer wire and put a male and female connector on the ends. When I get a tow bar and wire up the electrics I will look at the trailer thing then.

Raptor trim panels - These look great and really go well with the Raptor dash. However on my car when they were fitted they push the plastic ignition barrel cover forward so it rubs on the steering wheel. I simply removed the lip off the two plastic sections and it now fits perfectly and really does look good.

Switches - The Raptor switches look great but unfortunately they are only available as on/off SPST switches. I have a couple of things which require SPDT so will use a 5 pin relay for these which will give me that functionality using just a SPST switch. Also the rear wash wipe hole was round rather than a D shape but some hot glue sorted that issue.

Gauges - The boost gauge is new and is the only one staying. I will be getting volt and ammeter gauges that match that gauge plus an oil pressure/temperature gauge.
 
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It was a really good chance to remove all the plastics and wash them in the bath (don't tell Mrs C :D) it also gave me chance to remove all the crap wiring alterations from previous owners, tidy everything up and aluminium wrap the heating pipes etc.
 
Temperature gauge - Well it doesn't work even though I used the correct sender. The wiring is absolutely correct so I think that there is something wrong with the gauge. It jumps to hot when you touch the sender wire to ground but it just doesn't work as it should. The temp gauge is a little tatty so I plan to get a new TD5 gauge later and sort it then.

Been looking to do the clocks on mine to, did you wire the temperature through the speedo like mentioned here Installing a Defender Td5 Instrument Pack into a 200Tdi/300Tdi - Land Rover Technical Blog also is your speedo calibration box in and working?
 
Fantastic!!!!!!!

Where did you purchase your wiring from?!

:D

The multi plug connectors are from PaulMC on here.


The normal crimps etc are from my tool box.


The ebay purchases are:


1mm Cable Thinwall 50m 60+ COLOUR COMBINATIONS : 1mm Cable Thinwall 50m 60+ COLOUR COMBINATIONS | eBay


The ATX connectors are from ebay:

24 pin ATX male connector + 24 pins | eBay

&

24 pin ATX female connector + 24 pins | eBay


The way I did it is to make the loom to connect the 3 gauges, speedo and warning lights but to wire this to a male ATX connector.

You can then connect wires to the female ATX connectors for the lights, ground, 12v ignition and 12v permanent and plug this into a 12v supply allowing you to test the dash off the car. Once it's working you can then connect all the relevant wires from behind the dash to the female ATX connector and this allows you to remove the whole dash in and out whenever you need to.

You can also purchase an ATX extension cable for a few pounds which allows you to work on the dash with it sat on the seat next to you then remove the extension cable and plug it into the car. I used ATX connectors for the bottom section of the Raptor dash too which allowed me test the switches etc on the seat.

I will do a detailed tutorial if people want me to.
 
Been looking to do the clocks on mine to, did you wire the temperature through the speedo like mentioned here Installing a Defender Td5 Instrument Pack into a 200Tdi/300Tdi - Land Rover Technical Blog also is your speedo calibration box in and working?

My speedo calibration box is the next step but having tested the speedo against the speed via a GPS speedo app on my phone it is absolutely bang on. I will be sorting that out once I have some time.

I still have a few jobs to do: exhaust, diff guards, chequer plate wing tops, 4 speakers for the stereo, 1 speaker for the CB, the trim above the safari door (which holds 2 speakers and the ultrasonic detectors), the central locking lock for the safari door, the sound proofing in the van rear and stone chip paint under the wings (and probably more I've forgotten)

I did wire the fuel gauge and temp gauge through the speedo but I think the temp gauge is defunct.
 
Oh and you will need a multi plug connector crimp tool to crimp the actual crimps or alternatively see how much PaulMC would charge for the "tails" done.


STOP PRESS.....

£37.50 for a loom already made, here on ebay...... land rover defender td5 dash instrument wiring loom harness | eBay

It will need a tiny modification to ROW spec but that would be EASY.... You just need 2 terminals from PaulMC with 6" wires already crimped to it. Then CUT the wire in the loom which goes to the temperature gauge and attach one of the crimp+wires to each of the cut ends. Then push the crimp that connects to the gauge into hole 9 on the bottom speedo connector and the other one into hole 5. (or send it to me and I can modify it)

If I'd seen this I would have bought it. You will either need to source the plug that goes to the main loom or use 2 ATX connectors like I do.
 
I can manage all the wiring as I'm an electronics engineer (amongst other things) so no problems there. Only issue is trying to get my hands on the TD5 instrument cluster!
 
I can manage all the wiring as I'm an electronics engineer (amongst other things) so no problems there. Only issue is trying to get my hands on the TD5 instrument cluster!

:D So am I :behindsofa:

That loom is cheaper to buy than make!

I got my entire TD5 instrument cluster for £65 which was a ridiculously low price. The plastic body of the cluster is perfect and the clock, speedo and fuel gauges are also in very good condition. The TD5 temp gauge has some issues though and you can see a spider web like white pattern on the black face plus some rust on the rim and just inside plus, and most importantly, it doesn't appear to work.

The loom I pointed to also has the lights that light up the heater controls (I didn't bother with them as I didn't want them lit up)

They do come up on ebay regularly but the only one there now is £180!!
 
:D

The multi plug connectors are from PaulMC on here.


The normal crimps etc are from my tool box.


The ebay purchases are:


1mm Cable Thinwall 50m 60+ COLOUR COMBINATIONS : 1mm Cable Thinwall 50m 60+ COLOUR COMBINATIONS | eBay


The ATX connectors are from ebay:

24 pin ATX male connector + 24 pins | eBay

&

24 pin ATX female connector + 24 pins | eBay


The way I did it is to make the loom to connect the 3 gauges, speedo and warning lights but to wire this to a male ATX connector.

You can then connect wires to the female ATX connectors for the lights, ground, 12v ignition and 12v permanent and plug this into a 12v supply allowing you to test the dash off the car. Once it's working you can then connect all the relevant wires from behind the dash to the female ATX connector and this allows you to remove the whole dash in and out whenever you need to.

You can also purchase an ATX extension cable for a few pounds which allows you to work on the dash with it sat on the seat next to you then remove the extension cable and plug it into the car. I used ATX connectors for the bottom section of the Raptor dash too which allowed me test the switches etc on the seat.

I will do a detailed tutorial if people want me to.

Definitely that would be such a help.

Thanks mate :D
 
What are all those switches for?

reverse spots (when on the reverse spots come on when reverse is selected)
bumper spots
top spots
top fogs
left spot (firing sideways)
right spot (firing sideways)
fan
aux / main battery connect (at the moment this allows the 2nd battery to charge but I'm waiting on the next batch of 2nd alternator brackets so each alternator charges it's own battery - The switch will still connect them but will be normally switched off and even when it IS switched on the connection is only when the ignition is on i.e. my starter battery is always safe)
interior light
winch power
rear work light

although.....

The wiring is in for the spots on the winch bumper and rear work light but just waiting for them to arrive.
I haven't got my winch yet
I haven't put an interior light in yet (it's an MOT failure)
I haven't added the electric fan yet



oh and there will be labels....
 
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