Td4 BMW engine compatibility

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thebluelandy2363

thebluelandy2363

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So at some point soon I need to change the engine in my Freelander 1 td4 and was wondering can I change the standard m47r for a BMW m47 and swap all of the components needed for transverse mounting of the m47r I also heard that the m47r has a twin scroll turbo whereas a m47 has a standard and that the m47 has a stronger crankshaft to handle more power
My ideal hp would probably be around 180-200hp plenty of power and tips or ideas on this
 
with this power, the torque will be in the range of 350-370 Nm, which is the upper limit for automatic transmission jf506e and even more so for mechanical gearboxes What do you plan to do with the transmission including the IRD , drive shafts and rear gear?
 
Messerschmitt said:
with this power, the torque will be in the range of 350-370 Nm, which is the upper limit for automatic transmission jf506e and even more so for mechanical gearboxes What do you plan to do with the transmission including the IRD , drive shafts and rear gear?
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Mines manual which I hear is worse so maybe this won't work it was mainly just an idea as BMW engines are easier to obtain than td4 here in northern Ireland
 
Nodge68 said:
Nodge68 said:
The standard engine is good for about 150 BHP, which is just within the capacity of the gearbox and the rest of the drive train. 150 BHP is also a decent power for everyday traffic use, so more shouldn't be needed.
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Yeah that sounds more reasonable now thinking about it. Its just a big difference going from a shogun which nearly had too much power then down to finding it sort of underpowered. Well I suppose it did tow 4 ton pretty alright for having a done clutch. I've seen you on alot of posts would you know how much they roughly cost for insurance for first time drivers I know it's different for everyone and was wondering if it would be more or less than a d1
 
Nodge68 said:
The standard engine is good for about 150 BHP, which is just within the capacity of the gearbox and the rest of the drive train. 150 BHP is also a decent power for everyday traffic use, so more shouldn't be needed.
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Can you link to any posts/articles where engines have failed due to power levels?
 
thebluelandy7354 said:
Yeah that sounds more reasonable now thinking about it. It’s just a big difference going from a shogun which nearly had too much power then down to finding it sort of underpowered. Well I suppose it did tow 4 ton pretty alright for having a done clutch. I've seen you on alot of posts would you know how much they roughly cost for insurance for first time drivers I know it's different for everyone and was wondering if it would be more or less than a d1
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Surely towing 4 tonne is not legal. Max for that grade of vehicle would be 3.5T and I not sure a Showgun was rated that high.
 
thebluelandy7354 said:
Yeah that sounds more reasonable now thinking about it. Its just a big difference going from a shogun which nearly had too much power then down to finding it sort of underpowered. Well I suppose it did tow 4 ton pretty alright for having a done clutch. I've seen you on alot of posts would you know how much they roughly cost for insurance for first time drivers I know it's different for everyone and was wondering if it would be more or less than a d1
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If you think a standard FL1 TD4 is underpowered, then a D1 will feel even worse if it's a diesel. The diesel D1 barely has enough power to get out of its own way. Across country a good FL1 will outperform a D1 easily, with less fuel burned. The Freelander isn't particularly heavy for its size at under 1600kg, so modified to 150 BHP it'll have almost 100 BHP per ton which is enough for sensible performance.
Insurance wise, I've no idea but it's expensive for younger or inexperienced drivers now.
 
300bhp/ton said:
Surely towing 4 tonne is not legal. Max for that grade of vehicle would be 3.5T and I not sure a Showgun was rated that high.
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I think legally it's like 1800-2000kg but I needed the trailer moved to a different yard so it had to do the Freelander basically had no suspension on the back just about less than an inch of clearance from the wheel to arch but then I do have 30 inch tyres
 
Nodge68 said:
If you think a standard FL1 TD4 is underpowered, then a D1 will feel even worse if it's a diesel. The diesel D1 barely has enough power to get out of its own way. Across country a good FL1 will outperform a D1 easily, with less fuel burned. The Freelander isn't particularly heavy for its size at under 1600kg, so modified to 150 BHP it'll have almost 100 BHP per ton which is enough for sensible performance.
Insurance wise, I've no idea but it's expensive for younger or inexperienced drivers now.
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Thanks I know from defenders that they aren't powerful machines. But if I ever need a boost there's always a spare BMW engine in the shed for it I guess. Suppose I'd have to wait until I have a couple of years no claims built up to afford that.
 
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