Spare tyre need's to match on-road tyres?

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Dewin

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As per the title I'm about to buy some General Grabber AT2's. The spare wheel (a normal road tyre) is like new so I was only going to buy 4 Grabbers.

But I'm a bit puzzled as I was told earlier that as the Disco is permanent 4wd, that should I get a punture & use the spare tyre for even a short distance I'll cause some damage due to the difference in tyre height. Is their any truth in this or am I being fed a load of drivel :confused:
 
thanks for confirming that boydy, I'll get 5 new boots for her, cheaper than replacing the diffs!
 
when you say same size.. my thing is that the road tyre onthe back door is the same as the tyres but the tyres seem to be bigger becasue of the tread - which was proven as I had to move my steering lock stops.. so where do they measure the tyre profile and will an extra inch of tread damage the diff for a short drive to a tyre repair place?
 
should be ok.Tires with different wear will have a slight variance in radius.The diff can cope with this.And if your only taking it 2 miles to quick fit, wont hurt.
 
but is the spare the same size as ya grabbers?


Yeah it is same size, but as mjltigger said there is quite a difference in tread size between the two, I know I'm probably being overly picky but I'd hate to have to repair busted diff's, especially as I'll probably need to replace the boot floor this summer too (I can't weld so it's a looking like a garage job £300).

Plus point for me though is that the wife has agreed to me getting them :eek: ... I nearly choked on me cuppa this morning:D, and have managed to get my local tyre shop to match the cheapest online price I found of £73 a tyre (less fitting).
 
If a tyre with an extra 3mm of tread on it will make such a difference it will pop diffs, why dont they go 'Bang' every time we go round a roundabout!?!?!?

The action of the diff is to allow a speed differential between wheels, like when one wheel has to go further than the other, either becouse its going round the outside of a bend or over a bump.....
The % difference in radius of a few mm on a 750+mm wheel diamter is blugger all!

Over the life of a car, say 250,000 miles the near-side will statistically have traveled something like 37,000 miles or so MORE than the off-side wheels!

Becouse we drive on the left side of the road, and go round roundabouts clockwise, so we will always travel further round right hand bends than left hand ones!

There IS a grain of truth in the suggestion, you can wreck a transmission on a four wheel drive car by using a 'spare', but it applies to four wheel dricve systems that use viscouse couplings, that CANT tolerate indefinate differentiation, like Audi Quatro's and those Japanese rally replicas.....

I think that there is a warning in the Subaru owners book somewhere, and an over-cautiouse AA/RAC recovery bullatin. (also saying they cant use a lifted tow becouse the centre viscouse will go pop.... as it will on a borg box Rangie, BTW)

But I think that attension was drawn to the issue on an Audi where they at one point fitted a 'space saver' spare that was smaller than the road-wheels, and it had a sticker on it that said something like 'do not drive at more than 15mph or for more than 5miles" on it.

Becouse it was something like 2" smaller than the road wheels that themselves were only about 17" in rolling diameter, so it WAS an appreciable %..... but the warning WASN'T just becouse of risk of transmission damage, but the thing was a 140mph car, and the space saver tyre was not only smaller, but also narrower, and would have upset the suspension and the handling, as well as the torque delivery from the visco units, making the car pretty unstable, and pottentially hazardouse used at much more than cycling speed!

However, it is 'good practice' to 'rotate' tyres, and I have a wonderful bit of insrtuction in a 1960's AA hand-book, that gives instructions and explanation....

.....As near-sire wheels travel further than off-side wheels, and front wheels travel further than rears, and spares dont tend to travel at all...... it says, start at the rear near side wheel, and swap that with the spare, then work your way around the car, so trhe rear near side becomes the front near side, front near side becomes the front off-side, front off side becomes the rear off side and the rear off-side becomes the SPARE! [breath!]......

......and if you do that once a month, when you check your tappets........ you will ensure 'even' tyre wear of your entire set, including the spare, and get the best mileage out of ALL your tyres............

Tappets......... they need adjusting........ do cars still have them?:)
 
If a tyre with an extra 3mm of tread on it will make such a difference it will pop diffs, why dont they go 'Bang' every time we go round a roundabout!?!?!?

The action of the diff is to allow a speed differential between wheels, like when one wheel has to go further than the other, either becouse its going round the outside of a bend or over a bump.....
The % difference in radius of a few mm on a 750+mm wheel diamter is blugger all!

Over the life of a car, say 250,000 miles the near-side will statistically have traveled something like 37,000 miles or so MORE than the off-side wheels!

Becouse we drive on the left side of the road, and go round roundabouts clockwise, so we will always travel further round right hand bends than left hand ones!

There IS a grain of truth in the suggestion, you can wreck a transmission on a four wheel drive car by using a 'spare', but it applies to four wheel dricve systems that use viscouse couplings, that CANT tolerate indefinate differentiation, like Audi Quatro's and those Japanese rally replicas.....

I think that there is a warning in the Subaru owners book somewhere, and an over-cautiouse AA/RAC recovery bullatin. (also saying they cant use a lifted tow becouse the centre viscouse will go pop.... as it will on a borg box Rangie, BTW)

But I think that attension was drawn to the issue on an Audi where they at one point fitted a 'space saver' spare that was smaller than the road-wheels, and it had a sticker on it that said something like 'do not drive at more than 15mph or for more than 5miles" on it.

Becouse it was something like 2" smaller than the road wheels that themselves were only about 17" in rolling diameter, so it WAS an appreciable %..... but the warning WASN'T just becouse of risk of transmission damage, but the thing was a 140mph car, and the space saver tyre was not only smaller, but also narrower, and would have upset the suspension and the handling, as well as the torque delivery from the visco units, making the car pretty unstable, and pottentially hazardouse used at much more than cycling speed!

However, it is 'good practice' to 'rotate' tyres, and I have a wonderful bit of insrtuction in a 1960's AA hand-book, that gives instructions and explanation....

.....As near-sire wheels travel further than off-side wheels, and front wheels travel further than rears, and spares dont tend to travel at all...... it says, start at the rear near side wheel, and swap that with the spare, then work your way around the car, so trhe rear near side becomes the front near side, front near side becomes the front off-side, front off side becomes the rear off side and the rear off-side becomes the SPARE! [breath!]......

......and if you do that once a month, when you check your tappets........ you will ensure 'even' tyre wear of your entire set, including the spare, and get the best mileage out of ALL your tyres............

Tappets......... they need adjusting........ do cars still have them?:)


Audi quattros had space saver from 1987 onwards 40kph top speed a replace with standard size as soon as possible. Oh and yes they handle like a crock of ****e on a space saver thats why I threw it away and bought a standard wheel from a scrapper, boot was no use for anything anyway as the fuel tank occupied most of it lol
 
ffs - just buy a set of BFG AT's and the whole problem will go away for a while


BFG's were my prefered choice but the extra 150 notes decided against it.:doh:

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Teflon I remember my grandfather religiously rotating his tyres every couple of months and got major mileage out of them, it's a shame most modern ones are directional though.
 
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