Slightly OT: Pinzgauer Sales Video

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On or around Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:30:38 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2006-06-25, RichardB <rDOTbush@btconnectDOTcom> wrote:
>
>> Pinzgauer Video
>><http://www.automotive-technik.com/user_files/video/Pinzgauer.wmv>
>
>The original sales video for the generation 1 machines is on the
>following page;
>
>http://www.rmpinzgauers.org/pinzgauerstuff.htm
>
>Have a look at the "Trip Reports" links, starting with the most
>recent, for shots of jammy bastards testing them out on some lovely
>terrain in the states.

fascinating stuff, and I see I was right about the axles. Nice shot of a
haflinger in the works, too.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell"
Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military
Academy, 19 June 1879.
 
On or around Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:39:19 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>I'd imagine that a popular passtime amongst C303 owners would be to
>tell 4x4 clubs that they have a Volvo 4x4, getting the looks of
>derision, then rolling up in one of those things and making fools of
>everyone! 34" tyres, lots of articulation and portal axles with
>lockers makes for a mighty beast. As cheap as a scruffy 200TDi
>Defender as well. Finding one in good condition is quite hard though
>and parts availability isn't so good.

Accompanying a friend on a journey to fetch a hillman imp, recently - when
as half-expected it broke down, we phoned the RAC:

"what car is it?"
"a hillman imp"
"wots one of them, then?"
<sub voce>" it's a fookin' car, yer wally."

I suggested telling them that we'd looked under the bonnet but couldn't find
the engine.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell"
Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military
Academy, 19 June 1879.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:39:19 +0100, Ian Rawlings
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>> I'd imagine that a popular passtime amongst C303 owners would be to
>> tell 4x4 clubs that they have a Volvo 4x4, getting the looks of
>> derision, then rolling up in one of those things and making fools of
>> everyone! 34" tyres, lots of articulation and portal axles with
>> lockers makes for a mighty beast. As cheap as a scruffy 200TDi
>> Defender as well. Finding one in good condition is quite hard though
>> and parts availability isn't so good.
>
> Accompanying a friend on a journey to fetch a hillman imp, recently -
> when as half-expected it broke down, we phoned the RAC:
>
> "what car is it?"
> "a hillman imp"
> "wots one of them, then?"
> <sub voce>" it's a fookin' car, yer wally."
>
> I suggested telling them that we'd looked under the bonnet but
> couldn't find the engine.

Ohh you are a wag!

--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
On 2006-06-26, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> are they on independent axles, as well as portal? The pictures of
> one with all the wheels in the air certainly looked like it.

Yes, the suspension and drivetrain is a tad odd, but built for
reliability. Instead of trailing links, A-frames, drive shafts with
UJs and all that kerfuffle, the pinz suspension and drivetrain has one
socking great big joint for each half-axle that pivots around the
differential itself. The drive shafts go directly into the
differential housing and have a large crown wheel on the end, this
meshes with pinions that are on torque tubes centred on the drive
shaft, so the drive shaft pinions change their meshing angle as the
half-axles move up and down. In this way, there are no other joints
on the suspension. No trailing arms, no A-frame, no bushes, no
panhard rods, no nothing, just a big beefy pivot around the diff, some
springs, a shock absorber and an axle check strap to stop Triumph
Spitfire-like tuck-under. Very neat but doesn't do much for your
camber angles!

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On 2006-06-26, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> "what car is it?"

A question I've come to dread when calling places up.. I usually say
"Defender 110" these days.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

|| "what car is it?"
|| "a hillman imp"
|| "wots one of them, then?"
|| <sub voce>" it's a fookin' car, yer wally."
||
|| I suggested telling them that we'd looked under the bonnet but
|| couldn't find the engine.

Remember that Candid Camera stunt back in the 60s? They took the engine out
of a (thinks) Ford Anglia and rolled it down a hill into a petrol station
forecourt, then asked the guy to check the oil.

How we did larff.

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 
On 2006-06-26, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> Nice shot of a haflinger in the works, too.

If there's one vee-hickle that could push a series 1 80" off my
purchase list, it's a haflinger. They only do 40MPH on the roads
though. If fuel mileage is good enough it could be justifiable for
most of my driving, which is 10-mile local trips on small roads.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:24:59 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2006-06-25, Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> wow. I am definately going to look for one of them in 10 years time
>> when i'm richer and theyre cheaper!
>
>An alternative is the Volvo C303, available in 4x4 and 6x6 variants,
>they're a lot cheaper. I saw a 6x6 go on ebay for £2,500 in good nick
>some time ago. The only reason I went for the pinz over the C303 was
>because I got such a bargain on this one and knew I could sell it for
>a profit if I wanted to. Now I've looked into it more, I prefer the
>pinz to the C303, as long as I ignore the price difference!
>
>C303 was also known as the Laplander in some markets IIRC.

I'm not listening! :p
 
On 2006-06-28, Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

>>C303 was also known as the Laplander in some markets IIRC.
>
> I'm not listening! :p

Poooortal aaaaxlessss.....
Diiiiif looooocksssss.....
Foooorward controoool.....
Thirteee fooor inch tyressss....
Threeee thousand poundssssss.....

Oops, sorry, I appear to have become evil!

Fancy an apple?

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
Ian Rawlings wrote:

> Poooortal aaaaxlessss.....
> Diiiiif looooocksssss.....
> Foooorward controoool.....
> Thirteee fooor inch tyressss....
> Threeee thousand poundssssss.....

TWENTY FOUR HORSEPOWER :p


--
EMB
 
EMB wrote:
> Ian Rawlings wrote:
>
>> Poooortal aaaaxlessss.....
>> Diiiiif looooocksssss.....
>> Foooorward controoool.....
>> Thirteee fooor inch tyressss....
>> Threeee thousand poundssssss.....
>
> TWENTY FOUR HORSEPOWER :p

Scarlet painted, Omnibusssssssss.
All to gether now....

--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
On 2006-06-28, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

> TWENTY FOUR HORSEPOWER :p

No this is the Volvo C303 I'm tempting people with now, it's got about
the same as a 300TDi IIRC.... Just checking on;

http://www.volvoc303.co.uk/

125BHP engine, 165 ft/lbs which I think is lower torque than a stock
300TDi, can't quite remember. It's a carburetted petrol so probably
lower torque than the 300TDi.

So no, it's the pinz that runs on clockwork, not the C303 ;-)

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Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On 2006-06-28, GbH <[email protected]> wrote:

> Scarlet painted, Omnibusssssssss.
> All to gether now....

When cabbies try to pass me, before they overtakes, I sticks me
flippin' 'and out and jams on all me brakes!

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-06-28, GbH <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Scarlet painted, Omnibusssssssss.
>> All to gether now....
>
> When cabbies try to pass me, before they overtakes, I sticks me
> flippin' 'and out and jams on all me brakes!
Then jackal taxi drivers can only swear and cuss
Behind that monarch of the road,
Observer of the Highway Code,
That big six-wheeler scarlet-painted London transport diesel-engined 97-horsepower
omnibus

http://www.iankitching.me.uk/humour/hippo/transp.html


--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
Ian Rawlings wrote:

|| On 2006-06-28, GbH <[email protected]> wrote:
||
||| Scarlet painted, Omnibusssssssss.
||| All to gether now....
||
|| When cabbies try to pass me, before they overtakes, I sticks me
|| flippin' 'and out and jams on all me brakes!
||
|| --
|| Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

Hold very tight please ...

Ching ching!

--
Rich
==============================

I don't approve of signatures, so I don't have one.


 
On or around Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:30:49 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2006-06-28, Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>C303 was also known as the Laplander in some markets IIRC.
>>
>> I'm not listening! :p
>
>Poooortal aaaaxlessss.....
>Diiiiif looooocksssss.....
>Foooorward controoool.....
>Thirteee fooor inch tyressss....
>Threeee thousand poundssssss.....
>
>Oops, sorry, I appear to have become evil!
>

there are sod-all for sale on ebay. nor 'mogs, (well, about 2, highly
priced).

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and
therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII
 
On 2006-06-28, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> there are sod-all for sale on ebay. nor 'mogs, (well, about 2, highly
> priced).

Item number 4650653799 in "completed items" went for £3,000 just 8
days ago, I saw a 6x6 in supposedly good condition for £2,500 on there
just as I was about to buy the pinz. Almost made me stall. <insert
jokes about weedy engines>

http://www.volvoc303.co.uk/

The prices are high-ish though.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
Enough of this Pinzgauer porn please! yeah it my be not much more than a
couple of grand but how much will you be spending after that, this is a
mistake I made with my landie, spares being cheap and all, but these
Austrian heaps, what is the availability of spares ?

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes




"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2006-06-28, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > there are sod-all for sale on ebay. nor 'mogs, (well, about 2, highly
> > priced).
>
> Item number 4650653799 in "completed items" went for £3,000 just 8
> days ago, I saw a 6x6 in supposedly good condition for £2,500 on there
> just as I was about to buy the pinz. Almost made me stall. <insert
> jokes about weedy engines>
>
> http://www.volvoc303.co.uk/
>
> The prices are high-ish though.
>
> --
> Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!


 
On 2006-06-28, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Enough of this Pinzgauer porn please! yeah it my be not much more than a
> couple of grand but how much will you be spending after that, this is a
> mistake I made with my landie, spares being cheap and all, but these
> Austrian heaps, what is the availability of spares ?

The pinzgauer spares are very available, some of them are expensive
but they've been engineered to not need them in the first place. That
might sound glib but these things cost 3x the price of the equivalent
landy at the time (series 2/3), and are made of big bits of metal that
take lots of bending. The engine is based on aero engine technology
to keep it running, the suspension is designed to have very few moving
parts, and the drivetrain is protected inside huge bits of metal.
Most parts are cheap or cheap-ish though.

The C303 engine (and I think gearbox) is lifted from a volvo car, but
some parts are unavailable, e.g. the ignition coil hasn't been
available for some 20 years, but alternatives are around. The C303 is
far less well engineered than the pinz and it's hard to find examples
that are in as good condition as the majority of pinzes on the market,
so the C303 is more of a risk, but it costs a third of the price in
the first place.

If you want a reliable runaround that's good off-road, I'd suggest a
Defender, but if you want something really interesting that won't
break the bank, then you need to skip back to 1972 and buy some
military gear.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On or around Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:24:51 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

[pinzporn]

here's some more. I expect this bloke is not the cheapest around though.

http://www.c-u-v.co.uk/

mind, the site could do with more or better details. I've emailed 'em about
it :)
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Where they make a desert they call it peace" Tacitus (c.55 - c.117)
Agricola, 30
 
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