Second Seven Bridge Toll Charge

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SteveG wrote:

> Dougal wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Huw is closer to the mark over the Severn Bridge charging regime than
>> I had realised and at first sight it differs somewhat from the M6 Toll.
>>
>> http://www.severnbridge.co.uk/toll_prices.shtml
>>
>> Based on that there may be arguments over 'commerciality' and side
>> windows but the bonnet-mounted spare wheel shouldn't enter into the
>> discussion.
>>
>> As usual it's a shambles!
>
>
> How many seats in a 110 CSW? If more than 9 then they can charge the
> 'Category 2' Rate.

Yes - but if the OP's description is correct that was not the reason
being quoted by the chap/chapess at the toll booth!
 
....and hugh spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

> M6 toll just simply works on height of bodywork above front wheels, so
> MPVs can get caught out as well as LRs with spare wheel on bonnet.
>
> That's the way it is. It's a privately operated road so if you don't
> like it.......

From the pictures and prices, it looks like the difference between class 2
and 4 could well be down to how slopey your windscreen is.

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
In message <[email protected]>, Huw
<hedydd@[nospam].invalid> writes
>hugh wrote:
>> In message <[email protected]>, Huw
>> <hedydd@[nospam].invalid> writes
>>> Dougal wrote:
>>>> Huw wrote:
>>>>> "puffernutter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%7%[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I went across the Second Severn Bridge today with Reggie (110 CSW)
>>>>>> and a car trailer to collect the A40 Farina from Aberystwyth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reggie is greedy and has a spare wheel on the back AND on the
>>>>>> bonnet. When I got to the toll booth I was told that he would only
>>>>>> charge me £4.80, but it should have been £9.60 because I had a
>>>>>> wheel on the bonnet. I was advised to remove it before I came
>>>>>> through next time (if I
>>>>>> only want to pay £4.80)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody have any clue as to the logic behind this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was under the impression that all Land Rover Series and Defenders
>>>>> were regarded as commercial apart from the SWB Station Wagon which
>>>>> has never been regarded as 'commercial' and is not VAT reclaimable.
>>>>> The actual use of the vehicle is not important, just the type.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huw
>>>>
>>>> Huw is closer to the mark over the Severn Bridge charging regime
>>>> than I had realised and at first sight it differs somewhat from the
>>>> M6 Toll.
>>>> http://www.severnbridge.co.uk/toll_prices.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Based on that there may be arguments over 'commerciality' and side
>>>> windows but the bonnet-mounted spare wheel shouldn't enter into the
>>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> I was pretty well spot on Istm. Lucky guess based on experience
>>> rather than reading the rules.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As usual it's a shambles!
>>>
>>> Only in as much as the rules vary. This should not be any more
>>> surprising than that the tolls vary.
>>> What does concern me though is that my Range Rover's bonnet could
>>> height promote it to a higher toll charge on the M6. Will have to
>>> remember to measure carefully or avoid the road if in the area.
>>>
>>> Huw
>>>
>>>
>> M6 toll just simply works on height of bodywork above front wheels, so
>> MPVs can get caught out as well as LRs with spare wheel on bonnet.
>>
>> That's the way it is. It's a privately operated road so if you don't
>> like it.......
>
>Well I pay road tax and huge amounts of fuel duty on my vehicles already and
>they seldom use a motorway. On principle I will try and avoid the toll road
>in the same way as I try and avoid the bridge.
>It is not that long ago that social unrest closed most of the country's old
>toll gates and I expect every freedom loving citizen to react in the same
>way to any effort to toll us in future. We already pay a stupidly high rate
>of tax on our travelling in the UK. Enough is enough.
>
>Huw
>
>
But in the case of the Toll Road you have the option of staying on the
M6 and exercising your freedom to sit in the queues all the way through
Birmingham.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
On or around Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:09:15 GMT, puffernutter
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I went across the Second Severn Bridge today with Reggie (110 CSW) and a
>car trailer to collect the A40 Farina from Aberystwyth.
>
>Reggie is greedy and has a spare wheel on the back AND on the bonnet.
>When I got to the toll booth I was told that he would only charge me
>£4.80, but it should have been £9.60 because I had a wheel on the bonnet.
>

have to say, my approach is to leave Wales by whichever route is appropriate
and not to return over either severn bridge. Living where I do, this rarely
involves extra mileage.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
 
On or around Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:44:47 -0000, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>I would guess that because a landrover is still technically a car and the
>spare wheel is not a permanent part of the structure one could get ones
>money back later if one took the trouble.
>
>Maybe one of the motoring organisations ought to take this up so that we can
>all have a piece of paper to wave at the toll booth attendent mandating him
>to charge the sensible rate.
>
>Whichever way crossing at the Bridge is going to cost less than going the
>long way round considering the average petrol/diesel consumption of a
>landie.

Not going to Aber, though... If coming up the M4, I'd do a right at Swindon
and follow A417/419 to gloucester, then A40/A470/A44 to Aber...

If coming up from the south-west, I'd carry on up the M5 to gloucester.

I spose if I actually wanted to get from Bristol to Chepstow, I'd pay.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:09:15 GMT, puffernutter
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> I went across the Second Severn Bridge today with Reggie (110 CSW)
>> and a car trailer to collect the A40 Farina from Aberystwyth.
>>
>> Reggie is greedy and has a spare wheel on the back AND on the bonnet.
>> When I got to the toll booth I was told that he would only charge me
>> £4.80, but it should have been £9.60 because I had a wheel on the
>> bonnet.
>>
>
> have to say, my approach is to leave Wales by whichever route is
> appropriate and not to return over either severn bridge. Living
> where I do, this rarely involves extra mileage.

No but the road you do use is an endurance test. I suppose you'd use the
same road from Llanwrda whether you go through Ross or the bridge so you
cannot win.

Huw


 
hugh wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Huw
> <hedydd@[nospam].invalid> writes
>> hugh wrote:
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Huw
>>> <hedydd@[nospam].invalid> writes
>>>> Dougal wrote:
>>>>> Huw wrote:
>>>>>> "puffernutter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%7%[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I went across the Second Severn Bridge today with Reggie (110
>>>>>>> CSW) and a car trailer to collect the A40 Farina from
>>>>>>> Aberystwyth. Reggie is greedy and has a spare wheel on the back AND
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> bonnet. When I got to the toll booth I was told that he would
>>>>>>> only charge me £4.80, but it should have been £9.60 because I
>>>>>>> had a wheel on the bonnet. I was advised to remove it before I
>>>>>>> came through next time (if I
>>>>>>> only want to pay £4.80)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anybody have any clue as to the logic behind this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was under the impression that all Land Rover Series and
>>>>>> Defenders were regarded as commercial apart from the SWB Station
>>>>>> Wagon which has never been regarded as 'commercial' and is not
>>>>>> VAT reclaimable. The actual use of the vehicle is not important,
>>>>>> just the type. Huw
>>>>>
>>>>> Huw is closer to the mark over the Severn Bridge charging regime
>>>>> than I had realised and at first sight it differs somewhat from
>>>>> the M6 Toll.
>>>>> http://www.severnbridge.co.uk/toll_prices.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on that there may be arguments over 'commerciality' and side
>>>>> windows but the bonnet-mounted spare wheel shouldn't enter into
>>>>> the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> I was pretty well spot on Istm. Lucky guess based on experience
>>>> rather than reading the rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As usual it's a shambles!
>>>>
>>>> Only in as much as the rules vary. This should not be any more
>>>> surprising than that the tolls vary.
>>>> What does concern me though is that my Range Rover's bonnet could
>>>> height promote it to a higher toll charge on the M6. Will have to
>>>> remember to measure carefully or avoid the road if in the area.
>>>>
>>>> Huw
>>>>
>>>>
>>> M6 toll just simply works on height of bodywork above front wheels,
>>> so MPVs can get caught out as well as LRs with spare wheel on
>>> bonnet. That's the way it is. It's a privately operated road so if you
>>> don't
>>> like it.......
>>
>> Well I pay road tax and huge amounts of fuel duty on my vehicles
>> already and they seldom use a motorway. On principle I will try and
>> avoid the toll road in the same way as I try and avoid the bridge.
>> It is not that long ago that social unrest closed most of the
>> country's old toll gates and I expect every freedom loving citizen
>> to react in the same way to any effort to toll us in future. We
>> already pay a stupidly high rate of tax on our travelling in the UK.
>> Enough is enough. Huw
>>
>>
> But in the case of the Toll Road you have the option of staying on the
> M6 and exercising your freedom to sit in the queues all the way
> through Birmingham.

Then on principle, that's what I will do. It is a popular option by all
accounts.

Huw


 
Huw wrote:

>> But in the case of the Toll Road you have the option of staying on the
>> M6 and exercising your freedom to sit in the queues all the way
>> through Birmingham.
>
> Then on principle, that's what I will do. It is a popular option by all
> accounts.

Me too, Scoot down the M5 and round the M42, M40.

Steve
 
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:09:15 GMT, puffernutter
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I went across the Second Severn Bridge today with Reggie (110 CSW) and a
>car trailer to collect the A40 Farina from Aberystwyth.
>
>Reggie is greedy and has a spare wheel on the back AND on the bonnet.
>When I got to the toll booth I was told that he would only charge me
>£4.80, but it should have been £9.60 because I had a wheel on the bonnet.
>
>I was advised to remove it before I came through next time (if I only
>want to pay £4.80)
>
>Anybody have any clue as to the logic behind this?
>

No, but hindering anyone from leaving Wales is surely a case of
"unlawful imprisonment".. :)

--
Tim Hobbs
 
In message <[email protected]>, hugh
<hugh@[127.0.0.1]> writes
<snip>
>But in the case of the Toll Road you have the option of staying on the
>M6 and exercising your freedom to sit in the queues all the way
>through Birmingham.
Or using the A5 - in a landy it's almost as quick as the motorway most
of the time, and a much more pleasant drive IMO. I used to do a run from
Milton Keynes to either Telford or Manchester daily and used all the
routes, from experience the A5 was "best" - rarely major hold-ups, a
couple of good transport cafes and a much more relaxed drive.

Will
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Are these differential rates legal then, can a toll operator decide on a
whim that all green cars are henceforward buses and charge an appropriate
rate?

Surely there is some call for some kind of standardisation, but I suppose we
will all get road pricing eventually, and it will be irrelevant (or will
it, will they try and charge twice?)



--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



"Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Huw wrote:
> > "puffernutter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:%7%[email protected]...
> >
>
> Huw is closer to the mark over the Severn Bridge charging regime than I
> had realised and at first sight it differs somewhat from the M6 Toll.
>
> http://www.severnbridge.co.uk/toll_prices.shtml
>
> Based on that there may be arguments over 'commerciality' and side
> windows but the bonnet-mounted spare wheel shouldn't enter into the
> discussion.
>
> As usual it's a shambles!


 
On or around Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:53:16 -0000, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:09:15 GMT, puffernutter
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> I went across the Second Severn Bridge today with Reggie (110 CSW)
>>> and a car trailer to collect the A40 Farina from Aberystwyth.
>>>
>>> Reggie is greedy and has a spare wheel on the back AND on the bonnet.
>>> When I got to the toll booth I was told that he would only charge me
>>> £4.80, but it should have been £9.60 because I had a wheel on the
>>> bonnet.
>>>
>>
>> have to say, my approach is to leave Wales by whichever route is
>> appropriate and not to return over either severn bridge. Living
>> where I do, this rarely involves extra mileage.
>
>No but the road you do use is an endurance test. I suppose you'd use the
>same road from Llanwrda whether you go through Ross or the bridge so you
>cannot win.

quite, and since that's the only road I have, it's no bother.

To use the motorway adds quite a bit of mileage. The shortest route to the
bridge goes through Usk, but for coming back from London, branching off at
Swindon is easier. The only "slow" bit of road is near the Air Balloon pub,
the rest of the A417/419 is upgraded and almost-motorway, as is a fair bit
of the A40. I don't go up to Ross, mind, I cut through the forest of Dean -
since the road from gloucester up to Ross is crap anyway, going through the
forest is more scenic.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
In message <[email protected]>, Steve
<[email protected]> writes
>Huw wrote:
>
>>> But in the case of the Toll Road you have the option of staying on the
>>> M6 and exercising your freedom to sit in the queues all the way
>>> through Birmingham.
>> Then on principle, that's what I will do. It is a popular option by
>>all accounts.
>
>Me too, Scoot down the M5 and round the M42, M40.
>
>Steve
Which could well cost you more in fuel than the toll, depending on what
u drive.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
hugh wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Steve
> <[email protected]> writes
>> Huw wrote:
>>
>>>> But in the case of the Toll Road you have the option of staying on
>>>> the M6 and exercising your freedom to sit in the queues all the
>>>> way through Birmingham.
>>> Then on principle, that's what I will do. It is a popular option by
>>> all accounts.
>>
>> Me too, Scoot down the M5 and round the M42, M40.
>>
>> Steve
> Which could well cost you more in fuel than the toll, depending on
> what u drive.

Cost takes second place to principle.

Huw


 
On or around Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:27:48 -0000, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>hugh wrote:
>> In message <[email protected]>, Steve
>> <[email protected]> writes
>>> Huw wrote:
>>>
>>>>> But in the case of the Toll Road you have the option of staying on
>>>>> the M6 and exercising your freedom to sit in the queues all the
>>>>> way through Birmingham.
>>>> Then on principle, that's what I will do. It is a popular option by
>>>> all accounts.
>>>
>>> Me too, Scoot down the M5 and round the M42, M40.
>>>
>>> Steve
>> Which could well cost you more in fuel than the toll, depending on
>> what u drive.
>
>Cost takes second place to principle.
>

quite. I've been known to come back from Thornbury via Gloucester. Mind
you, that was in a small, economical car.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero" (sieze today, and put
as little trust as you can in tomorrow) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Odes, I.xi.8
 
In message <[email protected]>, Will Wilkinson
<[email protected]> writes
>In message <[email protected]>, hugh
><hugh@[127.0.0.1]> writes
><snip>
>>But in the case of the Toll Road you have the option of staying on the
>>M6 and exercising your freedom to sit in the queues all the way
>>through Birmingham.
>Or using the A5 - in a landy it's almost as quick as the motorway most
>of the time, and a much more pleasant drive IMO. I used to do a run
>from Milton Keynes to either Telford or Manchester daily and used all
>the routes, from experience the A5 was "best" - rarely major hold-ups,
>a couple of good transport cafes and a much more relaxed drive.
>
>Will
Another similar situation is the A6 north from Lancaster over Shap. You
can see 'em all pounding up the M6 as you cruise along a nice wide empty
road.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
In message <[email protected]>, Huw
<hedydd@[nospam].invalid> writes
>hugh wrote:
>> In message <[email protected]>, Steve
>> <[email protected]> writes
>>> Huw wrote:
>>>
>>>>> But in the case of the Toll Road you have the option of staying on
>>>>> the M6 and exercising your freedom to sit in the queues all the
>>>>> way through Birmingham.
>>>> Then on principle, that's what I will do. It is a popular option by
>>>> all accounts.
>>>
>>> Me too, Scoot down the M5 and round the M42, M40.
>>>
>>> Steve
>> Which could well cost you more in fuel than the toll, depending on
>> what u drive.
>
>Cost takes second place to principle.
>
>Huw
>
>
Well bully for you. For me I've spent too many Friday evenings crawling
up from Jn4 to Jn12 to worry about principles. Also think about all the
pollutants you are inflicting on the residents of that part of
Birmingham whilst you're stationary/crawling, while I'm cruising along
with engine at max efficiency.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
hugh wrote:

> Which could well cost you more in fuel than the toll, depending on what
> u drive.

No, costs me less to get to M4 Reading- Heathrow corridor.

Steve
 
hugh wrote:

> Well bully for you. For me I've spent too many Friday evenings crawling
> up from Jn4 to Jn12 to worry about principles. Also think about all the
> pollutants you are inflicting on the residents of that part of
> Birmingham whilst you're stationary/crawling, while I'm cruising along
> with engine at max efficiency.
Not me ! I don't remember the last time I have been stuck in
Birmingham in traffic. You just have to negotiate the appropriate route.

I have met Birmingham residents who didn't know about the existence of
the M40.

Steve
 
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