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"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> William Black <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
> funny about:
>>> The youth community support centre I work for as sysadmin is always
>>> being vandalised - by the very youths we are here to support & help.
>>> Our communications link is always being vandalised - we surrounded
>>> it in steel. So they set fire to it. So we moved it on the roof.
>>> They somehow tore the thing off, and while on the roof stuffed up
>>> all the air conditioning heat exchangers (vital in this climate).
>>> Sometimes I wonder why we bother,

>>
>> Because if they weren't doing it to you they'd be doing it to some
>> poor granny.
>>
>> The Youth Service isn't there for the nice well behaved kids, it's to
>> attract the evil little bastards away from more vulnerable targets.
>>
>> If they're attacking you then you're actually doing something right.
>>
>> Try talking to one of the professional youth workers and find out what
>> he/she/it thinks of your gear being vandalised.

>
> Whilst I see your point it is wholly unacceptable.
>
> IMHO they should be being taught a trade such as Brick laying, then they
> can help build some Prison walls or something useful.


It's a sight cheaper than putting them in prison, and much much cheaper
than employing police officers to chase them.

It is unacceptable only if you accept imprisoning people under the age of 18
for things other than crimes of violence.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.





 
"steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Greg wrote:
>
> > So please tell me how we save lives without getting criticised by

motorists,
> > because I know a lot of Councillors who would dearly like to know...

>
> Try the new Dutch system, where they remove ALL road furniture.


All experience over here is that this would result in the roads becoming
race tracks, the idea that you can transplant a solution between cultures is
dubious at best. I understand there are trials being undertaken, but to just
do it nationally without trials when everything points to it killing lots of
pedestrians would be stupid and the same people who criticise for not doing
it would be criticising FOR doing it if this was the outcome. The fact is
that the cushons in this village have saved lives, the accident figures are
undeniable, so removing them will only make things worse, if it's true here
then why imagine it's totally the opposite elsewhere?.

> Try
> getting councillors to save money, instead of making a great show of
> "saving money" by cutting the best front line, public facing services,
> so that it annoys the voters rather than firing the excess of
> bureaucrats with their nice juicy pensions.


Erm, how exactly would saving money slow down traffic?

If you want to get onto the completely different subject of cutting services
maybe you should find out who's forcing the cuts, because it's not
Councillors believe me. The Government is constraining the Councils until
they can legally do nothing but cut services, then blames said Councils who
are only doing it's dirty work. This has become a standard government tactic
now, every unpleasant action is forced upon some one else so they take the
backlash.

Of course there's waste, but an awful lot of it is the inevitable result of
government decrees. A classic example is the hugely expensive sea defences
project, why can't they just repair the existing wall that's been good
enough since Victorian times?, simple, the government gives grants to build
new projects but not to repair old ones!. The inevitable result of this is
that new things are built instead of perfectly salvageable old ones being
repaired at a fraction of the cost, the local Councils get blamed but what
can they do about it?.

In the case of Borough Councils the amount they get from central government
is reduced, the amount they can raise from rates is restricted, and they are
forced to implement more services such as recycling. As they're legally
bound to balance their books the result is inevitable.

Greg


 
Greg wrote:
>The fact is
> that the cushons in this village have saved lives, the accident figures are
> undeniable, so removing them will only make things worse, if it's true here
> then why imagine it's totally the opposite elsewhere?.


What about the increases in deaths because ambulances can't move people
fast enough, as reported by the London Ambulance Service ? Or the
increases in back injuries caused by the bumps ? Or excess deaths caused
by the additional pollution of vehicles accelerating and decelerating
for the bumps. Factor that in, and I suspect there is no real reduction
in deaths.

What are your accident statistics ? One or two children in what kind of
period ? How did the previous children die ?

> Erm, how exactly would saving money slow down traffic?


Cheap systems like the Dutch approach would save money over the
intensive groundworks and street furniture of our approach, which seem
to be designed to enrich groundwork companies and sign makers.

> If you want to get onto the completely different subject of cutting services
> maybe you should find out who's forcing the cuts, because it's not
> Councillors believe me.


Why should we have these "services" provided like they are at all ? Our
councils are pork barrel operations enriching the participants at the
expense of everyone else.

Steve
 
On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 18:13:46 -0000, Greg
<[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> The same happens every day in this village, they literally stop
> in front of the shop they want even though there's a parking space a few
> yards away,


B*st*rds, imagine that, these travellers wandering through the
countryside have the temerity to want to use the services provided by a
vendor in the actual village? Whatever next? Can't they use <insert your
favourite out of town super-mall> like everyone else?

If this carries on then these small businesses will survive - some may
even thrive and that wouldn't be good for anyone would it?

> and a bus or lorry can't get past so the village stops until
> they come out.


never thought I'd ever hear/read a villager defending the right of lorries
to thunder through unchecked.

Oh - and while we're on the subject of parking outside shops/high streets
etc. If you work in a shop, please don't park out front - where do you
think your customers will park?

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
"steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What about the increases in deaths because ambulances can't move people
> fast enough as reported by the London Ambulance Service ? Or the
> increases in back injuries caused by the bumps ?


Why can't they?, the cushons are designed precisely so that larger vehicles
can straddle them, of course the problem we get around here is pratts
parking on them so larger vehicles can't straddle them. Again I ask what
alternative is there to street furniture that's shown to slow speeders down
in this country?, unless of course you're advocating speed cameras in every
village?.

> Or excess deaths caused
> by the additional pollution of vehicles accelerating and decelerating
> for the bumps. Factor that in, and I suspect there is no real reduction
> in deaths.


Of course if the cars are doing an appropriate speed for a busy highstreet
or residential area full of kids they don't need to slow down and accelerate
away, do they...

> What are your accident statistics ? One or two children in what kind of
> period ? How did the previous children die ?


I don't have the figures in my head, we looked at them the last time people
kicked up a stink about the cushons and I think they covered about 8 years
before and 5 after their installation, the numbers of KSA's (killed and
seriously injured in road speak) were about halved. According to the experts
these figures were reliable, and included several speed monitoring sessions
over the years showing a consistent reduction.

> Cheap systems like the Dutch approach would save money over the
> intensive groundworks and street furniture of our approach, which seem
> to be designed to enrich groundwork companies and sign makers.


If they would work here, but all evidence available at the moment is that
they wouldn't. Would you like to be the man who removed all speed control
measures in a Borough and had to answer for a dozen more child KSA's in the
next few years?...that's the stark reality that armchair experts don't have
to worry about.

> Why should we have these "services" provided like they are at all ? Our
> councils are pork barrel operations enriching the participants at the
> expense of everyone else.


Ahh, so you advocate no services provided by the state and everyone fending
for themselves, in that case everyone will need a good 4x4 because there
won't be roads passable by anything less..

It's all so so easy from the comfort of an armchair isn't it, no
responsibility for the consequences, no rules to follow, no need to allow
for little things like the facts. There was talk about compulsory national
service but I would simply make public service compulsory, a couple of years
being faced with the stark realities and having to make hard decisions and
be held accountable for the consequences would do people a lot of good.
Greg


 
"William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...

> B*st*rds, imagine that, these travellers wandering through the
> countryside have the temerity to want to use the services provided by a
> vendor in the actual village? Whatever next? Can't they use <insert your
> favourite out of town super-mall> like everyone else?


Or can't they just park in a free space a whole 30 seconds walk from the
shop?, not a lot to ask of an able boddied person now is it.

> never thought I'd ever hear/read a villager defending the right of lorries
> to thunder through unchecked.


No, not thunder by, just be able to pass so that they can provide a bus
service to those who want to us it, again is that so much to ask?.

> Oh - and while we're on the subject of parking outside shops/high streets
> etc. If you work in a shop, please don't park out front - where do you
> think your customers will park?


You must be psychic 'cos this very issue came up here, the Parish Council
tried to arrange the use of a large pub car park not 1 minute's walk from
the highstreet shops for the benefit of the staff, this would have freed up
at least a dozen parking spaces for their customers and encouraged people to
shop in the village. The only cost would have been a whopping £5 a YEAR for
each car to cover the fact the pub landlord had to buy insurance for damage
to said cars, not a lot compared to the extra profit the shops stood to gain
really. What happened?, the shop keepers turned up at the Council meeting
all angry and with a petition against it, hmm, very clever.

Greg


 
"William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...

> never thought I'd ever hear/read a villager defending the right of lorries
> to thunder through unchecked.


Oh and can you suggest a way to stop a lorry speeding?, in all seriousness
if you can then let the rest of us know...a chicane does help but people are
just as opposed to them as to cushions so we're back to speed cameras in
every highstreet, oh hang on, people don't want them either!.

A few years of public service has convinced me that what most people want is
something that forces everyone else to slow down and park properly so the
own kids are safe on the streets, but allows THEM to race around unhindered
and park where ever they want. You see the very same people arguing loudly
for something to be done and then arguing even louder when something IS
done.

Greg


 
Greg wrote:

|| "Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
|| news:[email protected]...
||
||| I think I know that bloke wasis name.... Bush in'it?
||
|| or Blair, there's little to choose between them.
||
|| Greg

Or Alfred E Neuman - creepy resemblance to Bush. Me worry a lot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuman

--
Rich
==============================

2001 Disco II ES auto
1971 S2a 88" petrol
1991 Transit Camper

Take out the obvious to email me.


 

"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:eek:[email protected]...
>
> > never thought I'd ever hear/read a villager defending the right of

lorries
> > to thunder through unchecked.

>
> Oh and can you suggest a way to stop a lorry speeding?, in all seriousness
> if you can then let the rest of us know...a chicane does help but people

are
> just as opposed to them as to cushions so we're back to speed cameras in
> every highstreet, oh hang on, people don't want them either!.


Easy. Ditch the red tape, kick the PC brigade onto the next banana boat
along with all the migrants, sack 2/3 of the bloody government and make the
1/3 that's left do some ****ing work, and put the billions of pounds saved
to good use by putting coppers back on the streets where they belong!!! When
people knew there was a high probability of a bobby being out and about in
almost any locale, they tended to stick to the speed limits. It's today's
"**** it, I won't get caught as there's no coppers about nowadays" attitude
that needs to be overcome.
>
> A few years of public service has convinced me that what most people want

is
> something that forces everyone else to slow down and park properly so the
> own kids are safe on the streets, but allows THEM to race around

unhindered
> and park where ever they want. You see the very same people arguing loudly
> for something to be done and then arguing even louder when something IS
> done.


NIMBY's, throw them on the bloody banana boat as well!

Our society needs to return to a state of "this is the law, you will adhere
to it or be punished, no exceptions" very soon or the country is totally
****ed beyond hope of any cure.
Badger.


 
On Sun, 05 Nov 2006 01:10:14 -0000, William Tasso wrote:

>> The same happens every day in this village, they literally stop
>> in front of the shop they want even though there's a parking space a
>> few yards away,

>
> B*st*rds, imagine that, these travellers wandering through the
> countryside have the temerity to want to use the services provided by a
> vendor in the actual village?


Here it is *not* the vistors that park directly outside the shops but the
locals. I really don't understand it, there is a free car park within
yards. Which I use and 90% of the time find a space, the other 10% there
is a side road that always has space within 100yds.

The only two reasons for this behaviour that fits an abled bodied person
are:

1) They are selfish, lazy, barstewards.
2) They can't drive well enough to use the carpark. One would have to
<shock horror> use reverse gear!

Bear in mind that I use the carpark in the Disco, so those driving
ordinary, smaller, cars with much smaller turning circles shouldn't have
any troubles at all.

It might not be quite so bad if the road was wide but for the newsagents
it's narrow, so narrow that that section is covered by priority/giveway
directional control. At the other shop the parked cars can partially
block the access to the carpark FFS.

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In message <[email protected]>
"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:eek:[email protected]...
>
> > B*st*rds, imagine that, these travellers wandering through the
> > countryside have the temerity to want to use the services provided by a
> > vendor in the actual village? Whatever next? Can't they use <insert your
> > favourite out of town super-mall> like everyone else?

>
> Or can't they just park in a free space a whole 30 seconds walk from the
> shop?, not a lot to ask of an able boddied person now is it.
>


Speaking both as trader and customer - yes! It's one of those little
gems of knowledge that businesses understand and planners don't.
Parking outside will massively increase your business, moving
it 200 yds can ruin it (particularly for "convenience" shops).
As for digging the street up for six months........"Oh well, we
did warn you" - like that's going to impress the bank manager.

> > never thought I'd ever hear/read a villager defending the right of lorries
> > to thunder through unchecked.

>
> No, not thunder by, just be able to pass so that they can provide a bus
> service to those who want to us it, again is that so much to ask?.
>
> > Oh - and while we're on the subject of parking outside shops/high streets
> > etc. If you work in a shop, please don't park out front - where do you
> > think your customers will park?

>
> You must be psychic 'cos this very issue came up here, the Parish Council
> tried to arrange the use of a large pub car park not 1 minute's walk from
> the highstreet shops for the benefit of the staff, this would have freed up
> at least a dozen parking spaces for their customers and encouraged people to
> shop in the village. The only cost would have been a whopping £5 a YEAR for
> each car to cover the fact the pub landlord had to buy insurance for damage
> to said cars, not a lot compared to the extra profit the shops stood to gain
> really. What happened?, the shop keepers turned up at the Council meeting
> all angry and with a petition against it, hmm, very clever.


So take £5 per vehicle off the rates if it's such a small amount....
Funny how the finanical ball is *never* in the councils court, yet
they expect businesses to produce money out if thin air. Also,
of course, there's the looming/impending taxing of place of work
parking spaces, so your traders would be bloody mad to enter a
scheme that had parking provision in writing!

Sorry if I sound as though I'm having a go at you, it's not personal,
I just get furious when councils (Staffordshire Moorlands in my case)
decide, without a referrendum, that Leek is going to be a tourist
town and anything non-touristy should bugger off to Stoke. The
idiot I talked to did even know there can be (and often are) rules
about closeness to other stockists from suppliers, or seem to care
about how difficult it is to get customers to travel. And this fool
was involved in the town's Big Plan! Some of us only have half an
hour to pop to the shops - if there's no parking, we can't go.
Leek had a lovely big, free, car park - until the land was sold
to Aldi. I've yet to meet anyone who would not want Alsi out and
the car park back, yet the coincil is *supposed* to be representing
us!

>
> Greg
>


Richard

>


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On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 20:30:12 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following
nonsense:

>William Black <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
>funny about:
>>> The youth community support centre I work for as sysadmin is always
>>> being vandalised - by the very youths we are here to support & help.
>>> Our communications link is always being vandalised - we surrounded
>>> it in steel. So they set fire to it. So we moved it on the roof.
>>> They somehow tore the thing off, and while on the roof stuffed up
>>> all the air conditioning heat exchangers (vital in this climate).
>>> Sometimes I wonder why we bother,

>>
>> Because if they weren't doing it to you they'd be doing it to some
>> poor granny.
>>
>> The Youth Service isn't there for the nice well behaved kids, it's to
>> attract the evil little bastards away from more vulnerable targets.
>>
>> If they're attacking you then you're actually doing something right.
>>
>> Try talking to one of the professional youth workers and find out what
>> he/she/it thinks of your gear being vandalised.

>
>Whilst I see your point it is wholly unacceptable.
>
>IMHO they should be being taught a trade such as Brick laying, then they can
>help build some Prison walls or something useful.
>
>My job is becomming quite mundane in so much as it can be like working on a
>Till in the quickimart, same faces coming through all the time with the
>occasional odd new face.
>
>Lee D
>


Our school is introducing a YISP, summat to do with identifying those
most at risk of offending or ASBO, and working with them to prevent
the unruly behaviour. Needless to say, probably another waste of
time, another person who has never seen the inside of the classroom
since they left school, but expects the teachers to bow down to them,
and let these kids out of lessons.

Half the reason for the ASBO's round here in my little town is nothing
for the kids to do, no youth club, disco etc, add to that the fact
that parents are out all hours to maintain lifestyles, and all becomes
clear...
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4061c814e%[email protected]...

> Speaking both as trader and customer - yes! It's one of those little
> gems of knowledge that businesses understand and planners don't.
> Parking outside will massively increase your business, moving
> it 200 yds can ruin it (particularly for "convenience" shops).
> As for digging the street up for six months........"Oh well, we
> did warn you" - like that's going to impress the bank manager.


Please give us credit Richard, we knew, we were specifically asked by the
traders to provide more parking for their customers near their shops, we
offered to do this by letting the same traders park only a minute's walk
away so their customers could indeed park in front of their shops. Their
attitude?, f**k off we're going to park our own cars infront of our own
shops all day so that our customers can't park there!, apparently we're
supposed to magically find more parking in a street not wide enough for
parking both sides, and with no way to widen it because it's lined with 200
year old shops with narow pavements. So the customers park on the pavement
across the road from the shop keepers cars, thus blocking the road to
through traffic.

> So take £5 per vehicle off the rates if it's such a small amount....


People don't realise that Parish and Borough Councils get not one penny from
business rates, even though it's the Borough who must collect them, so try
telling the thousands of people in this village why THEY should pay more on
their Parish precept when the shop keepers will get it back many times over.

> Funny how the finanical ball is *never* in the councils court, yet
> they expect businesses to produce money out if thin air.


That £5 would have been repaid 100 fold in extra business if people were
more able to park infront of those shops, as they would have been if the
shop owners weren't parked there all day.

Councils are constantly being expected to find money from thin air. In the
case of a Parish they get a fixed amount from the Borough, not negotiable,
and have to raise every extra penny from the Parish precept which is not
popular believe me. The charity rules mean that they are actively prevented
from applying for most of the available grants, only really the ones from
the Borough which don't amount to a lot really, instead they have to try and
get volunteers to form committees to do things and apply for grants
themselves. Very, very few people are prepared to do this, especially as
there's now so much government red tape involved.

> Sorry if I sound as though I'm having a go at you, it's not personal,
> I just get furious when councils (Staffordshire Moorlands in my case)
> decide, without a referrendum, that Leek is going to be a tourist
> town and anything non-touristy should bugger off to Stoke.


Which has no relevance to this Parish, or any other I know of around here,
we provided the land for the industrial estate next to the village that has
hundreds of full time jobs, we're working to get more land allocated to
allow it to expand as it's nearly full and there's clearly a demand. Yes
it's an argument for Scarborough Council who do plough what many (including
me) consider excessive amounts into seasonal employment, although they too
are working to open up a new expanded industrial area out of town. I
obviously can't comment on your Council.

> Some of us only have half an
> hour to pop to the shops - if there's no parking, we can't go.


Exactly, me included, which is why we were trying to help them park right in
front of the shops.

> Leek had a lovely big, free, car park - until the land was sold
> to Aldi.


Did the Council own the car park by any chance?, what's happening everywhere
is the Government is so constraining them that they have to sell off their
assets to balance the books. And no it's not a New Labour idea, Thatcher
started it and New Tor.. sorry Labour continued it.
Greg


 
"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> Here it is *not* the vistors that park directly outside the shops but the
> locals. I really don't understand it, there is a free car park within
> yards. Which I use and 90% of the time find a space, the other 10% there
> is a side road that always has space within 100yds.


It's very similar here, there's always parking within two minutes walk but
we still get lots of people double parked, parked on the pavement, or
otherwise blocking the road so no one else can get through.

> The only two reasons for this behaviour that fits an abled bodied person
> are:
>
> 1) They are selfish, lazy, barstewards.
> 2) They can't drive well enough to use the carpark. One would have to
> <shock horror> use reverse gear!


Mainly the former but there are certianly some of the latter.

Greg


 

"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:4061c814e%[email protected]...
>
>
> > Leek had a lovely big, free, car park - until the land was sold
> > to Aldi.

>
> Did the Council own the car park by any chance?, what's happening

everywhere
> is the Government is so constraining them that they have to sell off their
> assets to balance the books. And no it's not a New Labour idea, Thatcher
> started it and New Tor.. sorry Labour continued it.
> Greg
>
>

If the elected Council did 'own' land belonging to the electorate, and there
are likely to be a lot of objections to selling it off, they shouldn't be
allowed to sell it without consulting the electorate seeing as there *are*
objections and they are only elected legal custodians of the land.

Martin


 
"Oily" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> If the elected Council did 'own' land belonging to the electorate, and

there
> are likely to be a lot of objections to selling it off, they shouldn't be
> allowed to sell it without consulting the electorate seeing as there *are*
> objections and they are only elected legal custodians of the land.


I honestly don't know if there is a process of objection for such selloffs,
they certainly don't have to call a referendum for each one!, and they are
very common place. The proceeds from such capital sales can only be used for
capital projects so it's theoretically just transferring one asset into
another, and the audit process won't wouldn't allow them to be sold for a
token.

This Parish recently sold a tiny scrap of waste land to add to a
neighbouring building site and got a couple of grand if I recall. I can't
remember any process other than it being on the agenda of a meeting and the
democratic decision being minuted, it may be different if it's large scale
though. Don't forget you have a chance to vote directly for the Councillors,
more than you can say for the President, er I mean Prime minister of course
:cool:.

Greg


 
On or around Sun, 05 Nov 2006 01:10:14 -0000, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>B*st*rds, imagine that, these travellers wandering through the
>countryside have the temerity to want to use the services provided by a
>vendor in the actual village? Whatever next? Can't they use <insert your
>favourite out of town super-mall> like everyone else?


but I agree with the parking. If there's nowhere to park, then park
outside. But if there's off-street parking, bloody well use it instead of
blocking the road. Same effect in Lampeter - lazy bastards park outside the
chippie on a narrow bit of road, causing traffic jams, rather than walk
about 100 yards from the car park. The only people I have no problem with
their parking outside the door is those who have significant difficulty
walking, and people making deliveries where there's no alternative access to
the premises. Mind you, the councils sometimes make things worse: in
Lampeter there's a Spar shop, and the Spar lorry used to reverse down a
little seldom-used side road to deliver to it. The council then made that
into a ped-zone, put brick things with plants in for people to throw rubbish
in and now the lorry parks outside Spar and blocks half the main street.
--
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"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Oily" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> If the elected Council did 'own' land belonging to the electorate, and

> there
>> are likely to be a lot of objections to selling it off, they shouldn't be
>> allowed to sell it without consulting the electorate seeing as there
>> *are*
>> objections and they are only elected legal custodians of the land.

>
> I honestly don't know if there is a process of objection for such
> selloffs,


Yes there is, but it's trivial.

Essentially you have to find out about the sell-off (plans at the council
offices), and make any objection in writing.

The council HAS to consider your objection but there's no appeal against the
results of their consideration.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.




 
Badger wrote:
> "Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:eek:[email protected]...
>>
>>> never thought I'd ever hear/read a villager defending the right
>>> of lorries to thunder through unchecked.

>>
>> Oh and can you suggest a way to stop a lorry speeding?, in all
>> seriousness if you can then let the rest of us know...a chicane
>> does help but people are just as opposed to them as to cushions so
>> we're back to speed cameras in every highstreet, oh hang on,
>> people don't want them either!.

>
> Easy. Ditch the red tape, kick the PC brigade onto the next banana
> boat along with all the migrants, sack 2/3 of the bloody government
> and make the 1/3 that's left do some ****ing work, and put the
> billions of pounds saved to good use by putting coppers back on the
> streets where they belong!!! When people knew there was a high
> probability of a bobby being out and about in almost any locale,
> they tended to stick to the speed limits. It's today's "**** it, I
> won't get caught as there's no coppers about nowadays" attitude
> that needs to be overcome.
>>
>> A few years of public service has convinced me that what most
>> people want is something that forces everyone else to slow down
>> and park properly so the own kids are safe on the streets, but
>> allows THEM to race around unhindered and park where ever they
>> want. You see the very same people arguing loudly for something to
>> be done and then arguing even louder when something IS done.

>
> NIMBY's, throw them on the bloody banana boat as well!
>
> Our society needs to return to a state of "this is the law, you
> will adhere to it or be punished, no exceptions" very soon or the
> country is totally ****ed beyond hope of any cure.
> Badger.


I like the cut of your JIB mate!


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Ta!

Nige

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