SA import Defender 90 2.8i petrol

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On or around Thu, 19 May 2005 20:35:54 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Landynut wrote:
>
>>
>> "Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>> Tetraethyl Lead is somewhat more carcinogenic than most of the stuff in
>>> Unleaded fuel.
>>
>> Legend has it that unleaded without a Cat is far worse that leaded. Most
>> of my vehicles are diesel, my S2A has a petrol motor which I run on
>> unleaded.
>
>Haven't heard that tetraethyl lead is carcinogenic - it is just plain
>poisonous, and lead is a cumulative poison.

besides, UL has more benzene, or so I understand, which is, I believe,
carcinogenic (BICBW) and certainly very nasty, such that its use in industry
is hedged around with many precuations.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 
On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:35:54 +1000, JD <[email protected]> wrote:

>Landynut wrote:
>
>>
>> "Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>> Tetraethyl Lead is somewhat more carcinogenic than most of the stuff in
>>> Unleaded fuel.
>>
>> Legend has it that unleaded without a Cat is far worse that leaded. Most
>> of my vehicles are diesel, my S2A has a petrol motor which I run on
>> unleaded.
>
>Haven't heard that tetraethyl lead is carcinogenic - it is just plain
>poisonous, and lead is a cumulative poison.
>JD

And it stops a catalyst from working properly....

What agent goes into unleaded to replace the lead, and is it any less
harmful?




--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70
 
On or around Fri, 20 May 2005 17:05:46 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:35:54 +1000, JD <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Landynut wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Paul S. Brown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tetraethyl Lead is somewhat more carcinogenic than most of the stuff in
>>>> Unleaded fuel.
>>>
>>> Legend has it that unleaded without a Cat is far worse that leaded. Most
>>> of my vehicles are diesel, my S2A has a petrol motor which I run on
>>> unleaded.
>>
>>Haven't heard that tetraethyl lead is carcinogenic - it is just plain
>>poisonous, and lead is a cumulative poison.
>>JD
>
>And it stops a catalyst from working properly....
>
>What agent goes into unleaded to replace the lead, and is it any less
>harmful?

I dunno, but I gather it has more benzene. The anti-knock properties of TEL
aren't present in UL (or not so much), hence the need to retard the ignition
to stop it pinking.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 

"Niamh Holding" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We have a customer with one of these who thinks she is going to need a
> cat fitted in order to get through the emissions test at her next MoT.
>
> As this is somewhat esoteric a vehicle in the UK our normal distributors
> have drawn a blank as to sourcing a cat, anybody got any ideas as to
> where one might be available from?
>
> To add to the fun, our parts list doesn't even show a cat as fitted as
> standard.
>
> --
> Niamh
> 4x4 Cymru
> http://www.4x4cymru.co.uk
>

As it is an imported vehicle, and therefore not meeting UK type approval,
I'd be surprised if it had to pass a UK "cat-test", I'd bet that the
required emissions level for it would be higher (due to its imported
status), and if it still can't pass then the answer is to sort the engine to
reduce the emissions, not strangle it into passing artificially by fitting a
cat. Spend the customer's dosh wisely, fix the crappy emissions and everyone
ought to be happy. Check the mot testers manual, or even talk to your
nearest VOSA people, for a definitive answer, don't just trust the word of a
garage.
Badger.


 
"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Niamh Holding" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> We have a customer with one of these who thinks she is going to need a
>> cat fitted in order to get through the emissions test at her next MoT.
>>
>> As this is somewhat esoteric a vehicle in the UK our normal distributors
>> have drawn a blank as to sourcing a cat, anybody got any ideas as to
>> where one might be available from?
>>
>> To add to the fun, our parts list doesn't even show a cat as fitted as
>> standard.
>>
>> --
>> Niamh
>> 4x4 Cymru
>> http://www.4x4cymru.co.uk
>>
>
> As it is an imported vehicle, and therefore not meeting UK type approval, I'd be surprised if it had to pass
> a UK "cat-test", I'd bet that the required emissions level for it would be higher (due to its imported
> status), and if it still can't pass then the answer is to sort the engine to reduce the emissions, not
> strangle it into passing artificially by fitting a cat. Spend the customer's dosh wisely, fix the crappy
> emissions and everyone ought to be happy. Check the mot testers manual, or even talk to your nearest VOSA
> people, for a definitive answer, don't just trust the word of a garage.
> Badger.
>
The MOT manual states
"PERSONAL IMPORTS
the vehicle will be tested according to its age from first use
The only exemption to this is if the vehicle owner can present
to the tester at time of test a letter from the vehicle manufacturer
stating that the particular engine as originally installed could not
meet the equivalent British emission standards. If this is the
case, then test to the next lower emission standard"
so it would be tested based on the year

there are however a few other ways around this
But first a few questions
what year is it?
is it a station wagon?
how many seats does it have ?
what is the maximum gross vehicle weight?

let me know and I'll see what I can dig up
--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 

"Andy.Smalley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Niamh Holding" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> We have a customer with one of these who thinks she is going to need a
>>> cat fitted in order to get through the emissions test at her next MoT.
>>>
>>> As this is somewhat esoteric a vehicle in the UK our normal distributors
>>> have drawn a blank as to sourcing a cat, anybody got any ideas as to
>>> where one might be available from?
>>>
>>> To add to the fun, our parts list doesn't even show a cat as fitted as
>>> standard.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Niamh
>>> 4x4 Cymru
>>> http://www.4x4cymru.co.uk
>>>
>>
>> As it is an imported vehicle, and therefore not meeting UK type approval,
>> I'd be surprised if it had to pass a UK "cat-test", I'd bet that the
>> required emissions level for it would be higher (due to its imported
>> status), and if it still can't pass then the answer is to sort the engine
>> to reduce the emissions, not strangle it into passing artificially by
>> fitting a cat. Spend the customer's dosh wisely, fix the crappy emissions
>> and everyone ought to be happy. Check the mot testers manual, or even
>> talk to your nearest VOSA people, for a definitive answer, don't just
>> trust the word of a garage.
>> Badger.
>>
> The MOT manual states
> "PERSONAL IMPORTS
> the vehicle will be tested according to its age from first use
> The only exemption to this is if the vehicle owner can present
> to the tester at time of test a letter from the vehicle manufacturer
> stating that the particular engine as originally installed could not
> meet the equivalent British emission standards. If this is the
> case, then test to the next lower emission standard"
> so it would be tested based on the year

> there are however a few other ways around this
> But first a few questions
> what year is it?
> is it a station wagon?
> how many seats does it have ?
> what is the maximum gross vehicle weight?
>
> let me know and I'll see what I can dig up
> --
> Andy
>
> SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
> It's big, it's mean it's really, really green

Thanks for that info Andy, I thought there'd be a workaround somehow,
although it'd rely on Landrover issuing a letter stating the emissions in
the vehicle's original market. I'd be interested to hear how this one pans
out. BTW, I'm led to believe that there's a para in the same manual stating
something about testing according to the age of the engine if it's a
replacement and is older than the vehicle it's now fitted to? In other
words, a 1972 P6 3.5V8 fitted to a 1999 discovery would only get a visual
smoke test, for example, as long as you could prove (from its number?) the
age of the engine!

Badger.


 
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Badger) wrote:

> the answer is to sort the engine to
> reduce the emissions, not strangle it into passing artificially by
> fitting a cat. Spend the customer's dosh wisely, fix the crappy
> emissions and everyone ought to be happy.

AIUI, Nick Kerner normally do the engine servicing, and sometimes the
vehicle goes back to Rogers of Bedford where it was bought. I guess
neither could come up with a solution though I won't actually see the
lady concerned to ask for a couple of weeks.

As I think I mentioned back at the start this is not an engine with
which we have any experience. OTOH the rest of the vehicle we are quite
familiar with

--
Niamh
4x4 Cymru
http://www.4x4cymru.co.uk

 
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(Andy.Smalley) wrote:

> The MOT manual states
> "PERSONAL IMPORTS
> the vehicle will be tested according to its age from first use
> The only exemption to this is if the vehicle owner can present
> to the tester at time of test a letter from the vehicle manufacturer
> stating that the particular engine as originally installed could not
> meet the equivalent British emission standards. If this is the
> case, then test to the next lower emission standard"
> so it would be tested based on the year
>
> there are however a few other ways around this
> But first a few questions
> what year is it?
> is it a station wagon?
> how many seats does it have ?
> what is the maximum gross vehicle weight?
>
> let me know and I'll see what I can dig up

Right we've finally got the vehicle in and despite what the owner said
there are a pair of BMW badge cats sitting there!

Now to source some...

--
Niamh
4x4 Cymru
http://www.4x4cymru.co.uk

 
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