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ripped off by edward fear!!

Discussion in 'Land Rover Discovery' started by ultra150, Dec 15, 2011.

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  1. Dippypud

    Dippypud Never Knowingly Understood Full Member

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    See Glos. Constabulary post from FB on Stolen Landrover Section ...
    https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/fear-again.317213/#post-4024374
     
  2. Idrivebimma

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    Michael Fear & co are still at it! Found them on Ebay with user ID ex2017. (He is trading with companies Excell trade ltd and just 4 ltd) advertising Discovery 4 parts / breaking for salvage. On the 27th September 2017 I Rang them up and they said they got the engine which was what I’m after. Agreed on a price of £3,500. I said I’ll come down for inspection before buying but they said I need to make a deposit to put the engine on hold. He emailed me a company bank info, I then transferred a deposit of £1,500. Then rang to get an appointment and address to come inspect, make the rest of the payment and collect the engine. He confirmed payment and said he will email or text details. He won’t send the details through and started ignoring my calls, I used a different phone number once he noticed my voice he hung up. Emailed him through Ebay for a refund he won’t. Now I said I want my money back through Ebay. He replied saying it’s a breach of contract that he won’t refund!

    It’s really shocking that in this day and age one could be scamming people broad day light and still operate a business.
     
  3. blue beasty

    blue beasty Leaks an prone to bits dropping off

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    I'm sorry to hear that fella :(

    I've no idea how theyre allowed to continue. Contact Trading Stardards, they'll be building a file on him....again!

    Other than that I don't know other than to say keep all money transfers where you have protection, PayPal/credit card, if they want money outside of anything that gives you some protection it's because they don't want you protected.
     
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    I think it will carry on until he scams the wrong person.
     
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    And did you know that the firm selling this engine was Micheal Fear and his clan ?
     
  6. Idrivebimma

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    Nop didn’t know who Michael Fear was, just knew the company was trading on Ebay and it happened to have the engine I was after... it was when he started ignoring my calls and would hung up on me then I decided to research about the company and Michael and was shocked in what I’ve seen on some of the scam people had gone through..
     
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    Attached is the email I got off him. By the way the investigations so far revealed the bank account isn’t actually Natwest, it is Cash Plus, a non high prepaid bank account for people with bad credit. Easy to open and launder funds. The mobile number on the attachment is his current mobile phone. As he’s got 4 more listings on Ebay with the same phone number. So worried that more and more innocent people would stumble across his listings and end up being a victim.
     

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    Upon doing some research I found out he is a company director on these companies.

    List of directors for both companies and persons with significant control operated by Michael Fear:



    This applies to both , Excel Trade LTD & Just 4 Ltd.

    Registered office address
    246a Court Oak Road, Birmingham, United Kingdom, B32 2EG

    HATTON, Simon

    Correspondence address
    246a, Court Oak Road, Birmingham, United Kingdom, B32 2EG



    Fear Michael

    Correspondence address
    246a, Court Oak Road, Birmingham, United Kingdom, B32 2EG
    Date of birth
    July 1960


    Just 4 Ltd

    Registered office address
    Unit 6 New Dunn Business Park, Sling, Coleford, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, GL16 8JD




    ROWLEY, Neil

    Correspondence address
    Unit 6, New Dunn Business Park, Sling, Coleford, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, GL16 8JD

    SHAKLETON, Carl Christian

    Correspondence address
    Unit 6, New Dunn Business Park, Sling, Coleford, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, GL16 8JD

    Date of birth
    October 1969

    MOORE, Louis Andrew

    Correspondence address
    61 Hardwick Av, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, United Kingdom, NP16 5EB

    COOKE, Denzil

    Correspondence address
    2 Avalon Place, Tranch, Pontypool, Gwent, NP4 6ES
    Date of birth
    June 1960

    FEAR, Michael

    Correspondence address
    Unit 6, New Dunn Business Park, Sling, Coleford, Gloucester, Gloucestershire, GL16 8JD

    Date of birth
    July 1960

    MOORE, Lewis Andrew

    Correspondence address
    61 Hardwick Av, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, United Kingdom, NP16 5EB

    Date of birth
    November 1990
     
  11. Hippo

    Hippo Lord Hippo

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    If you have been tricked into paying money to him via yer bank then go to the bank and talk to them about it. There are some things they can do, but I don't know if that will apply to the transaction and purchase agreement you have made. Also talk to someone like citizens advice or trading standards. They may not be able to doing anything but may be able to give you advise on your next step. At least it will be another person with bad dealings with him which they have on record. Unfortunately you have paid money towards a purchase you hadn't seen and didn't know existed. That's rule no 1 broken. If he was a propper business then allowing someone to view something before purchase wouldn't normally be a problem if it's an engine.
     
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    Takes payment -> uncontactable ... if it walks like fraud, talks like fraud ... - why not a police matter?
     
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    blue beasty Leaks an prone to bits dropping off

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    It is a police matter but they will refer it to trading standards to build a case against him, just like the last time.
     
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    The police are aware and are investigating. After spreading what they are upto here and few other platforms, whilst at work today out the blue they sent me a text messsge and it reads ‘ We will refund please email confirmation of cancelled order for engine with your name address & bank details thanks Denzil‘
    Interestingly I had sent them my full bank info when I requested refund previously. Not sure this is just a hoax so I would not keep spreading the word. Will keep you posted...
     
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    original post from 2011 and still doing it. he needs hurting...
     
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    They’ve gone back to the old tactic of ignoring my calls, sms and email since I sent them the my bank info for refund!

    probably a stalling tactic as my bank and the police fraud, trading standards are on the case already. I won’t let go until full refund is done, would explore all the options available even ones I can’t mention here. They got to be stopped. Times are hard and unacceptable for some conman to sit and keep scamming people from their hard earned cash. Having a broken vehicle engine that costs 3.5k alone makes ones finances meddled, and on top of that a conman thieving another £1,500. Very Shameful
     
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    I spoke with trading standards about Edward. They basically told me they had other things to be spending their time on.

    Maybe if they paid a bit more attention, people wouldn't still be getting hit.

    I was fortunate - section 75 sorted me out, but that was more luck than planning. The ltd company thing gives the illusion of stability / traceability.
     
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    It least it has saved you from the very real prospect of driving around with a stolen engine.

    Col
     
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    Years ago I used to know people who would have recovered the money.

    But completely lost touch now
     
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    Be careful what you send them - they can easily take money from your account if you've sent them bank details. Keep an eye on your account.
    The only legal way (if a refund is not forthcoming) is to take him to small claims - of course he probably won't pay in which case you'll need a high court writ followed by enforcement by which time "Excell Trade Limited" will be wound up.
    Did you pay into a business account ?

    Surprised that he hasn't been disqualified from directorship yet. Looking at CH, he is no longer a director at Excell and Just 4. Just 4 Cars Limited is his new start up!
     
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