Re: recycled cooking oil as fuel

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Rich

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• Oct 20, 2004

• #21

>
> No... Does anyone seriously believe I could have got away with buying
> that without Charlotte removing some of the more tender parts of my
> body?
>

Doesn't mean you didn't try.... just in case it went for a good price, I
didn't see a denial that you bidded, maybe just relief at a failed bid

Rich

 

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Mother

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• Oct 20, 2004

• #22

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:44:55 +0100, "Rich" <r clafton at zen co uk>
wrote:

>> No... Does anyone seriously believe I could have got away with buying
>> that without Charlotte removing some of the more tender parts of my
>> body?
>
>Doesn't mean you didn't try.... just in case it went for a good price, I
>didn't see a denial that you bidded, maybe just relief at a failed bid

There are some things I cannot comment upon...

 

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Mother

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• Oct 20, 2004

• #23

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:41:43 +0100, "Rich" <r clafton at zen co uk>
wrote:

>> FWIW, I converted my vehicles to LPG solely on environemntal grounds
>> initially. The financial benefit - although there and clear to see,
>> is still a secondary benefit as far as I'm concerned.
>
>Environmental grounds... humm

There'd be little point paying a Grand to convert one of mine which
does less than 1000 miles a year otherwise.

>Emmisions yes, but its still a Dino fuel and therefore contributing to all
>the other ills and finite
>
>Its the best of a bad bunch really

ALL road fuel is going to have some negative environmental impact - as
it the vehicle it's used in, as you say, best of a bad bunch.

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Oct 20, 2004

• #24

On or around Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:41:43 +0100, "Rich" <r clafton at zen co
uk> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>> FWIW, I converted my vehicles to LPG solely on environemntal grounds
>> initially. The financial benefit - although there and clear to see,
>> is still a secondary benefit as far as I'm concerned.
>
>Environmental grounds... humm
>
>Emmisions yes, but its still a Dino fuel and therefore contributing to all
>the other ills and finite
>
>Its the best of a bad bunch really

well, true. but genuine alternatives are a) difficult to get and b) not
plentiful enough, probably by at least 2 orders of magnitude.

and at least by using the gas fractions of the crude oil we improve on the
previous state of affairs where they were burnt off by the refinery.
Ultimately, presumably, the use of all petroleum gas products will equal the
production level of the liquid fuels (probably, principally, diesel - I
imagine that there's more diesel/fuel oil produced than lighter things like
petrol.

maybe by then there'll be more work on alternatives. However, the only real
alternative is to stop travelling so much, and this is where the
ever-increasing network connectivity should come in, by allowing the
majority of work to be accomplished by moving information and not people.

 

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T i m

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• Oct 21, 2004

• #25

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:51:29 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:


>in fact, ISTR duty on dinodiesel is about 45ppl (plus vat, chiz.) while that
>on biodiesel is summat like 24ppl.

So, if we use old cooking fat (that was only going to waste) and turn
it into fuel we have to pay a duty on it?

What if we make our own wine / brew our own beer (other heavily taxed
commodites?) send some money to customs and excise ..?

All the best ..

T i m

 

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Mother

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• Oct 21, 2004

• #26

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:29:40 GMT, T i m <[email protected]> wrote:

>So, if we use old cooking fat (that was only going to waste) and turn
>it into fuel we have to pay a duty on it?

Yep.

>What if we make our own wine / brew our own beer (other heavily taxed
>commodites?) send some money to customs and excise ..?

Only if you run a vehicle on it.

 

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T i m

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• Oct 21, 2004

• #27

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:52:35 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:29:40 GMT, T i m <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>So, if we use old cooking fat (that was only going to waste) and turn
>>it into fuel we have to pay a duty on it?
>
>Yep.
>
>>What if we make our own wine / brew our own beer (other heavily taxed
>>commodites?) send some money to customs and excise ..?
>
>Only if you run a vehicle on it.

Ah, so, it would be ok to ferment cooking oil into alcohol and *drink
it* then .. (that would trick C&E eh!)..? I wonder how much of the
alcohol passes through us and it we could run out cars on *that*
without paying duty! (Or do you think that would be taking the p***!)

Nurse!

T i m

 

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Tim Hobbs

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• Oct 21, 2004

• #28

Waste oil should only be carried by a registered waste carrier,
otherwise the Environment Agency (a.k.a. DEFRA) get cross. So in
theory only registered waste disposal companies can run their cars and
trucks on it, and only then if they raise a Section 62 72 hours in
advance...

Likewise, you can legally have a television delivered to your house.
When you have finished with it, it becomes 'waste', and is suddenly
hazardous. It is then, technically, not legal to put it in the
post...

It's a mad old world.




--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com

 

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Mother

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• Oct 21, 2004

• #29

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:56:06 GMT, T i m <[email protected]> wrote:

>Ah, so, it would be ok to ferment cooking oil into alcohol and *drink
>it* then

Yep.

>(that would trick C&E eh!)..?

Nope.

>I wonder how much of the
>alcohol passes through us and it we could run out cars on *that*
>without paying duty! (Or do you think that would be taking the p***!)

You can **** in your tank if you like. If your car runs ok on it
you'll have to pay tax on it - along with going for a checkup with
your doctor, obviously.

As an aside, I have a very simple rule when it comes to H M C&E:
"Don't **** with them, they have a very big dick."
or is that 'stick', no, prolly not...

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Oct 21, 2004

• #30

On or around Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:45:03 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
enlightened us thusly:

>You can **** in your tank if you like. If your car runs ok on it
>you'll have to pay tax on it - along with going for a checkup with
>your doctor, obviously.




>As an aside, I have a very simple rule when it comes to H M C&E:
>"Don't **** with them, they have a very big dick."
>or is that 'stick', no, prolly not...

in all seriousness, yer better off robbing the bank than defrauding HMC&E.
The latter, in addition to getting you banged up, can also auction off yer
possessions to recover the missing loot. AFAIK, the bank can't...

 

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Tim Hobbs

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• Oct 21, 2004

• #31

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:40:10 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:45:03 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
>enlightened us thusly:
>
>>You can **** in your tank if you like. If your car runs ok on it
>>you'll have to pay tax on it - along with going for a checkup with
>>your doctor, obviously.
>
>
>
>
>>As an aside, I have a very simple rule when it comes to H M C&E:
>>"Don't **** with them, they have a very big dick."
>>or is that 'stick', no, prolly not...
>
>in all seriousness, yer better off robbing the bank than defrauding HMC&E.
>The latter, in addition to getting you banged up, can also auction off yer
>possessions to recover the missing loot. AFAIK, the bank can't...

And they have greater 'break into your house and look around' powers
than any other body, including the police. I did once make a very
sarcastic comment to a customs officer at Dover (it was late, I had
driven all the way from Munich in one go and didn't really need a
search at the time) and got a look that said 'I'll let that one pass,
next time it's the rubber gloves'.




--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com

 

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Mother

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• Oct 22, 2004

• #32

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:15:22 +0100, Mr.Nice.
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I'll
>never forget the day I was in town when a HM C&E discovery rolled down
>the main street, the whole place went quiet, silent, shoppers stopped
>in the street, the seagulls made not a sound, it was eerie.

Why? Had they left the handbrake off?

 

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Mother

Guest

• Oct 22, 2004

• #33

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:10:47 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>And they have greater 'break into your house and look around' powers
>than any other body, including the police.

The only thing they cannot do it kill you. They have to call 5 in for
that...

 

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T i m

Guest

• Oct 22, 2004

• #34

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:40:10 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:45:03 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
>enlightened us thusly:
>
>>You can **** in your tank if you like. If your car runs ok on it
>>you'll have to pay tax on it - along with going for a checkup with
>>your doctor, obviously.

He just told me to drink less ;-(
>
>
>
>
>>As an aside, I have a very simple rule when it comes to H M C&E:
>>"Don't **** with them, they have a very big dick."
>>or is that 'stick', no, prolly not...
>
>in all seriousness, yer better off robbing the bank than defrauding HMC&E.
>The latter, in addition to getting you banged up, can also auction off yer
>possessions to recover the missing loot. AFAIK, the bank can't...

I have no intention of getting on the wrong side of HMC&E (I have
trained a few and they were all very nice <g>). I *did* get a gallon
of old chip oil from the local chippy with the intention of seeing how
easy it would be to convert into useable fuel for the Rover but never
got any further ..

1) I didn't get round to it ..
2) The Rover does ~55 mpg and has done 170k already so didn't want to
risk it ;-(
3) I don't do enough miles for it to be an issue.

All the best ..

T i m

 

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Mother

Guest

• Oct 22, 2004

• #35

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:48:15 GMT, T i m <[email protected]> wrote:

>I have no intention of getting on the wrong side of HMC&E (I have
>trained a few

You're not "Madame Whiplash" in another group by any chance?

 

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T i m

Guest

• Oct 22, 2004

• #36

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:33:57 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:48:15 GMT, T i m <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have no intention of getting on the wrong side of HMC&E (I have
>>trained a few
>
>You're not "Madame Whiplash" in another group by any chance?

Only weekends .. wanna make a booking? ;-)

T i m

 

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frodo

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• Oct 23, 2004

• #37

In article <[email protected]>, T i m
<[email protected]> wrote:

>...//...
> 2) The Rover does ~55 mpg and has done 170k already so didn't want to
> risk it ;-(

> T i m

Gees, Tim...... *** 55mpg ***. What's your 'secret' ? ...... or is it
'delusion' ?? )))

..... frodo.

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Oct 23, 2004

• #38

On or around Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:06:14 +1000, [email protected] (frodo)
enlightened us thusly:

>In article <[email protected]>, T i m
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>...//...
>> 2) The Rover does ~55 mpg and has done 170k already so didn't want to
>> risk it ;-(
>
>> T i m
>
>Gees, Tim...... *** 55mpg ***. What's your 'secret' ? ...... or is it
>'delusion' ?? )))
>
>.... frodo.

I think you'll find it's a "rover" without the "land" bit. that kind might
to 55 mpg downhill with the engine off.