Re: recycled cooking oil as fuel

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Have heard you smell like a Chippy going down the road :))



"Mr.Nice." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was talking to a guy today who runs his van on oil from these guys
> http://www.bio-power.co.uk
> I'm going to look into is as a possible fuel for my 1984 110 (2.5 n/a
> diesel).
> Is anyone here running an older landy on this kind of stuff?
> or anyone know anything about it?
>



 
And, apparently, you *still* have to pay duty on the fuel ... although how
C&E work out how much you've used I have no idea! "Yes, honestly officer.
You see that one-litre milk container over there? Well that was how much
chippy oil I used to do 12,000 miles last year". "But sir, that container
has got milk in it, it says so on the label. And we saw you make tea with
it". "No no nooooo, not *that* container, one very like it...." ;)

Steve


"Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Have heard you smell like a Chippy going down the road :))
>
>
>
> "Mr.Nice." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I was talking to a guy today who runs his van on oil from these guys
> > http://www.bio-power.co.uk
> > I'm going to look into is as a possible fuel for my 1984 110 (2.5 n/a
> > diesel).
> > Is anyone here running an older landy on this kind of stuff?
> > or anyone know anything about it?
> >

>
>



 
Yes but is it legal?
If so I'm straight down the local - Cod, Chips and some 'go juice'
please.....
There's a local chap (Isle of Wight) and he claims not to have put a penny
in his Discovery's fuel tank in the last two years, Mr Chip shop owner is
more than happy to give him the shops old oil, I think he normally has to
pay to get it disposed of.

Lee

"Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Have heard you smell like a Chippy going down the road :))
>
>
>
> "Mr.Nice." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I was talking to a guy today who runs his van on oil from these guys
> > http://www.bio-power.co.uk
> > I'm going to look into is as a possible fuel for my 1984 110 (2.5 n/a
> > diesel).
> > Is anyone here running an older landy on this kind of stuff?
> > or anyone know anything about it?
> >

>
>



 
i think the tax and duty is paid if you buy the biodiesel from one of the
outlets in the uk who market it ..

they sell one of the grades which is suitable for diesel engines which costs
73p per litre ,although this is really a bit on expensive side considering and
i dont think many people would change to it at that price .

would need to be 50p per litre to encourage use . .

its sold in 45 gallon drums .

be aware though that you cannot store this fuel for long because of bacteria
buildup and fungus .

it doesnt store the same as fossil fuels .

much cheaper to try a 50/50 mix of 28second heating oil [kerosene] and white
diesel .

28sec heating oil is 23p per litre on average , if you buy say 1000 litres at
a time , ie 4 foot long by 2 foot wide by 4 foot high tank = 1100 litres .


 
..
>
> would need to be 50p per litre to encourage use . .


I disagree - chats with my friends have all said they would pay more to use
recycled and / or enviromentally friendly fuels. The wrong way to sell these
things is through money saving, anyway your quoted price is 10p a litre less
than Dino diesel.

45 Gallons for most people is 3-4 fillups at most - say 1 month so I
wouldn't expect storage issues in that time.

Rich


 
Rich Clafton wrote:
> .
>
>> would need to be 50p per litre to encourage use . .

>
>
> I disagree - chats with my friends have all said they would pay more to use
> recycled and / or enviromentally friendly fuels.


I might be prepared to pay more, if I didn't know that the reason its so
expensive is that the chancellor taxes it at 300% or whatever.

Steve
 
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:26:40 +0100, "Rich Clafton" <rclafton at
lineone.net> wrote:

>The wrong way to sell these things is through money saving,


I disagree. The best way to immediately sell the idea is to apporach
people via their wallet. The environmental reasoning may be more
valid, but is far less sexy than convincing people of a sound
financial incentive.

FWIW, I converted my vehicles to LPG solely on environemntal grounds
initially. The financial benefit - although there and clear to see,
is still a secondary benefit as far as I'm concerned.


 
Mother wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:26:40 +0100, "Rich Clafton" <rclafton at
> lineone.net> wrote:
>
>>The wrong way to sell these things is through money saving,

>
> I disagree. The best way to immediately sell the idea is to apporach
> people via their wallet. The environmental reasoning may be more
> valid, but is far less sexy than convincing people of a sound
> financial incentive.
>
> FWIW, I converted my vehicles to LPG solely on environemntal grounds
> initially. The financial benefit - although there and clear to see,
> is still a secondary benefit as far as I'm concerned.


Just to stick in my ?0.02.

If it was a couple of pence difference one way or the other then I'd go for
the envirosafe option every time - fuel round here can differ by up to 4p
per litre within 200 yards - typically from 85-89p per litre for Diesel at
the moment.

The fact that Biodiesel appears to cost around 10-12p per litre less than
dinodiesel just now just makes the decision that much easier for me.

If the biodiesel was 10-12p per litre more expensive than dinodiesel then
I'd have to think seriously about using it, just purely because of the
mileage I do - typically 4-5 tanks a month used so anything up to 3000
miles a month.

If it's cost neutral or cheaper then it's a no brainer. If it's
significantly more expensive then it becomes more difficult to justify
using it at the moment.

I'm waiting for my first lot of Biodiesel to see just how happily my cars
will run on it.

I've got a 200 Disco and a Rover 75 with what I *think* is a 2l BMW
turbodiesel. I'll report on how well they run on the stuff I'm looking at
(Biopower V100 - http://www.bio-power.co.uk/products.htm)

If I were running a petrol fuelled car just now I couldn't easily justify an
LPG kit - the initial cost is just too high and any reduction in cost
benefit from running on LPG would be painful.


Paul
--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?
 
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:31:45 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> wrote:

[nod and snip]

>If I were running a petrol fuelled car just now I couldn't easily justify an
>LPG kit - the initial cost is just too high and any reduction in cost
>benefit from running on LPG would be painful.


Well I've a combined 12L* of output. This tended to give me
uncomfortable dreams of children developing asthma within a 10 mile
radius of Poggle Wood. LPG, apart from being cleaner and cheaper,
helps me sleep sound at night :)


* 4.6L V8, 3.9L V8 and 3.5L V8 - start them all up and the sound is
pure classical music.
 
Mother wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:31:45 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [nod and snip]
>
>>If I were running a petrol fuelled car just now I couldn't easily justify
>>an LPG kit - the initial cost is just too high and any reduction in cost
>>benefit from running on LPG would be painful.

>
> Well I've a combined 12L* of output. This tended to give me
> uncomfortable dreams of children developing asthma within a 10 mile
> radius of Poggle Wood. LPG, apart from being cleaner and cheaper,
> helps me sleep sound at night :)
>
>
> * 4.6L V8, 3.9L V8 and 3.5L V8 - start them all up and the sound is
> pure classical music.


I have around 4.5l of diesel output - 2 cars with less engine capacity than
Grumble.

I really have to balance these things. At the point where you have a car
that you are planning on running for substantial amounts of time then LPG
makes sense - from a financial point of view as well as from the PoV of
minimising impact on the environment.

The problem I have is that the longest I have ever kept a car so far is just
over 3 years. I can't justify a £15-1800 upfront investment for a 3 year
payback, especially on cars that typically cost in the £1-3000 range
themselves.

This is why I've decided to move over to diesel engined cars for the
forseeable future - I can run them on somewhat friendlier fuels without a
substantial upfront cost - maybe £50 for a heat exchanger at worst. I also
get more efficient running even if I do end up using dinofuels at any
point.

I'd love to run V8 cars, but I can't justify the costs for economy/purchase
price/maintenance - you can get any one of those at an affordable level -
rarely two and almost never all three.

I suspect that ethanol, methane and biodiesel in whatever form are going to
be the fuels of the future for internal combustion engines, with biodiesel
being apparently the easiest of the three to manufacture, store and handle.

I'm planning on looking at manufacturing my own biodiesel, for own use if
nothing else - I wouldn't want to try and manufacture ethanol (the
legislation on portable stills isn't fun to deal with) and methane strikes
me as something not very safe to use on an amateur basis - what would be a
trivial leak with diesel would be a major Fuel Air Explosion with Methane.

Ultimately, I suspect that personal vehicle usage is going to end up being
severely curtailed over the next thirty or so years, and I have a horrible
feeling that electrically powered public transport just isn't going to be
there in time. In my little nightmare scenario we could quite easily end up
with a situation never before seen - no problem communicating with people
at the other end of the country, but almost impossible to go and see them.

P.

--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?
 
On or around Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:14:06 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>The problem I have is that the longest I have ever kept a car so far is just
>over 3 years. I can't justify a £15-1800 upfront investment for a 3 year
>payback, especially on cars that typically cost in the £1-3000 range
>themselves.


The payback on a typical car is something in the region of 15-20K miles. If
you do 15K per year, for example, and keep it for 3 years, you'll achieve
savings in years 2 and 3. ASSUMING the price doesn't go up much WRT petrol.
Costs for fuel are about the same as diesel, like for like, (e.g. 3.5 disco
vs. TDi) with the proviso that the diesel doesn't quite have the power of
the 3.5 unless you tune it up a bit, which will make it slightly less
economical.

you can add in that like-for-like, a V8 disco (say) in the 1-3K bracket
costs quite a bit less than a TDi, in terms of vehicle per buck.
 
On or around Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:55:06 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Rich Clafton wrote:
>> .
>>
>>> would need to be 50p per litre to encourage use . .

>>
>>
>> I disagree - chats with my friends have all said they would pay more to use
>> recycled and / or enviromentally friendly fuels.

>
>I might be prepared to pay more, if I didn't know that the reason its so
>expensive is that the chancellor taxes it at 300% or whatever.


in fact, ISTR duty on dinodiesel is about 45ppl (plus vat, chiz.) while that
on biodiesel is summat like 24ppl.

ah, wrong again:

http://ww2.hmce.gov.uk/business/othertaxes/roadfuels.htm

so if your used chip-oil costs you nothing, you pay the government about
27ppl plus vat in duty.

ooh, this one's interesting, too:

http://ww2.hmce.gov.uk/business/othertaxes/historic-rates.htm

 
So Mother" <"@ {m} @ was, like

> Well I've a combined 12L* of output. This tended to give me
> uncomfortable dreams of children developing asthma within a 10 mile
> radius of Poggle Wood. LPG, apart from being cleaner and cheaper,
> helps me sleep sound at night :)
>
>
> * 4.6L V8, 3.9L V8 and 3.5L V8 - start them all up and the sound is
> pure classical music.


Interesting way of measuring an obsession. I can only manage 10.35L (4.6 +
3.5 + 2.25), but I'm still working on it. Start all mine up and the loudest
sound is of five-pound notes crackling in the flames.

--

Rich

Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever


 
On or around Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:31:21 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>So Mother" <"@ {m} @ was, like
>
>> Well I've a combined 12L* of output. This tended to give me
>> uncomfortable dreams of children developing asthma within a 10 mile
>> radius of Poggle Wood. LPG, apart from being cleaner and cheaper,
>> helps me sleep sound at night :)
>>
>>
>> * 4.6L V8, 3.9L V8 and 3.5L V8 - start them all up and the sound is
>> pure classical music.

>
>Interesting way of measuring an obsession. I can only manage 10.35L (4.6 +
>3.5 + 2.25), but I'm still working on it. Start all mine up and the loudest
>sound is of five-pound notes crackling in the flames.


I can only rustle up 6.9 (3.5 + 2.8 + 0.6). unless I count mother's disco
in with 'em which'd add another 2.5

 
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:31:21 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Interesting way of measuring an obsession.


I didn't include the Disco 200tdi or S3 as they're going to be, erm,
going...

 
Mother wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:31:21 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Brookman"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Interesting way of measuring an obsession.

>
> I didn't include the Disco 200tdi or S3 as they're going to be, erm,
> going...


To make way for what? Did you win the tender on that Vampire last month?

P.
--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?
 
Paul S. Brown wrote:
> Mother wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:31:21 +0000 (UTC), "Richard Brookman"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Interesting way of measuring an obsession.

>>
>>I didn't include the Disco 200tdi or S3 as they're going to be, erm,
>>going...

>
>
> To make way for what? Did you win the tender on that Vampire last month?


New keyboard ?

Steve
 
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:27:23 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> I didn't include the Disco 200tdi or S3 as they're going to be, erm,
>> going...

>
>To make way for what?


Neighbours to park? ;-)

>Did you win the tender on that Vampire last month?


No... Does anyone seriously believe I could have got away with buying
that without Charlotte removing some of the more tender parts of my
body?

 
Mother wrote:

>
>
>>Did you win the tender on that Vampire last month?

>
> No... Does anyone seriously believe I could have got away with buying
> that without Charlotte removing some of the more tender parts of my
> body?


Can we say "Acceptable Risk in Martyns Mind"?

:mad:)

P.
--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?
 
>
> FWIW, I converted my vehicles to LPG solely on environemntal grounds
> initially. The financial benefit - although there and clear to see,
> is still a secondary benefit as far as I'm concerned.


Environmental grounds... humm

Emmisions yes, but its still a Dino fuel and therefore contributing to all
the other ills and finite

Its the best of a bad bunch really

Rich


 
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