Push for old diesels to be scrapped.

Urea

fanatic said:

Urea

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that was the old stuff. New stuff is not corrisive

" is an innovative liquid solution called AdBlue."

seen that in gallon containers over here on main trunk routes.
I asked one guy at the counter of a garage I stopped in just what was it...

he said........
it was made from **** ????
did`nt know whether to laugh or go,
ohhhh...........
so I walked out.

easye1 said:

" is an innovative liquid solution called AdBlue."

seen that in gallon containers over here on main trunk routes.
I asked one guy at the counter of a garage I stopped in just what was it...

he said........
it was made from **** ????
did`nt know whether to laugh or go,
ohhhh...........
so I walked out.

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It goes by different names by different brands but same stuff. Don't know what it is really. But if vehicle needs it and you let that tank run out of it the engine goes to a limp mode,a 50% power reduction.

The only prob with adblue is it increases Co2 emissions , but i suppose thats better than NOX its also very damaging to environment if it gets into water bodies , as it deoxygenates !

tacr2man said:

The only prob with adblue is it increases Co2 emissions , but i suppose thats better than NOX its also very damaging to environment if it gets into water bodies , as it deoxygenates !

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They didn't say anything about CO2, but turns exhaust into ...harmless nitrogen and oxygen

should watch what im typing should be H20 not co2 TKS

Is that the stuff in a service tank on a vauxhall zafira? Brother had one and went into limp mode, stealers wanted a load of cash to refill it, in the end he got shot as other bits started to fail.

1st I heard of that...

will have to delve..

Thor1950 said:

This is what the new advanced diesels have gone to 2 tanks on for diesel and another for a additive to change exhaust to.BlueTEC brings together an array of advanced technologies to create the world's cleanest diesel automobiles. Advanced and highly precise components, from high-pressure fuel injection to a variable-vane turbo, create more complete and powerful combustion. But the breakthrough is an innovative liquid solution called AdBlue. When injected into the exhaust, AdBlue converts the nitrogen oxide emissions into harmless nitrogen and oxygen. And BlueTEC vehicles can use both ultralow-sulfur fuels (now the standard nationwide) or even B5 Biodiesel.

Has been the last 2-3 years here, part of EU control for emissions in the world.any diesel over 50hp needs the system

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What proportion of exhaust fumes are nitrous oxide?

payydg said:

What proportion of exhaust fumes are nitrous oxide?

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who said nitrous............:emps1:

Thor1950 said:

who said nitrous............:emps1:

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Nitrogen oxide isn't a thing. Nitrogen and oxygen can combine in a variety of different ways. Its a meaningless umbrella term.

But anyhow, I actually meant to write nitric oxide which I'm guessing is the most common pollutant?

I'm interested in how effective this stuff is. Do you know what proportion of exhaust fumes are 'nitrogen oxide'?

payydg said:

The environmental pollution and natural resource consumption required to make a new car to replace those that have been scrapped would FAR outweigh any proposed benefit on a global scale. Of course new cars are made in China and India and no one cares if they poison their atmosphere or water ways.

The idea that everything should be bought from new, used until it breaks, thrown away and replaced with a nice new shinny version simply isn't compatible with our future.

If we don't learn to reuse and fix things we are all fooked.

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DIFFLOCK66 said:

THIS! TRUE FACT well said that man!

Strange the RAC wanting to scrap the older stuff - they've NO chance of fixing the new electronic ****ery when it go wrong - only the main dealers can play with that!

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Yep, well said

Why wouldn't you just round it up to £100?

Weirdo.

Oh, err, yeah, old diesels are good :hippie:

DIFFLOCK66 said:

THIS! TRUE FACT well said that man!

Strange the RAC wanting to scrap the older stuff - they've NO chance of fixing the new electronic ****ery when it go wrong - only the main dealers can play with that!

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And even they are struggling with it so no hope for anyone else fixing the ****.

Carrington224 said:

And even they are struggling with it so no hope for anyone else fixing the ****.

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And does anyone think any future government will give a **** about that minor detail. As long as they tick the green box and can shaft Joe public for more cash.

some more info





Implementation of the standards
As soon as the Euro 5 and Euro 6 standards enter into force, Member States must refuse the approval, registration, sale and introduction of vehicles that do not comply with these emission limits. An additional delay of one year is allowed for goods transport vehicles (category N1, classes II and III, and category N2) and vehicles designed to fulfil specific social needs. Time frame:

• the Euro 5 standard came into force on 1 September 2009 for the approval of vehicles, and shall apply from 1 January 2011 for the registration and sale of new types of cars;
• the Euro 6 standard will come into force on 1 September 2014 for the approval of vehicles, and from 1 January 2015 for the registration and sale of new types of cars;

Tax incentives granted by Member States and intended to encourage earlier use of the new limits will be authorised if:

• they apply for all new vehicles available for sale on the market of a Member State, which meet the requirements of this Regulation before their entry into force;
• they end on the date the new limits come into force;
• are worth less than the cost, including fitting, of the devices used on any type of motor vehicle in order to guarantee that the values laid down are not exceeded.

Other obligations on manufacturers
In addition to complying with the emission limits mentioned above, vehicle manufacturers must also ensure that devices fitted to control pollution are able to last for a distance of 160 000 km. In addition, conformity must be checked for a period of 5 years or over a distance of 100 000 km.
The Commission established committees to devise, before 2 July 2008, procedures, tests and specific requirements for the following:

• tailpipe emissions, including test cycles, low ambient temperature emissions, emissions at idling speed, exhaust gas opacity, and the proper functioning and regeneration of after- treatment systems;
• evaporative emissions and crankcase emissions;
• on-board diagnostic systems and the performance of anti-pollution devices while the vehicle is running;
• durability of anti-pollution devices, replacement parts for emissions control systems, in-service conformity, conformity of production and technical control;
• carbon dioxide emissions and fuel consumption;
• hybrid vehicles;
• extension of approvals and requirements for small manufacturers;
• requirements for testing equipment;
• reference fuels, such as petrol, diesel fuel, gas and biofuels;
• measuring engine power.

Easy and clear access to information on vehicle repair and maintenance is key to guaranteeing free competition on the internal market for information and repair services. To this end, manufacturers must ensure that independent operators have easy, restriction-free and standardised (particularly in terms of compliance with the OASIS standard) access via the internet to information on the repair and upkeep of vehicles, without discrimination in favour of dealerships and official repair workshops. This obligation covers on-board diagnostic systems and their components, diagnostic tools, testing equipment and standard working units or time periods required for repair and maintenance activities. Charges for accessing such information are permitted if they are reasonable and proportionate. However, independent repairers have access to the registers of information free of charge and under the same conditions as authorised dealers and repairers.
Furthermore, manufacturers must make information available on vehicle repair and maintenance, as well as on the transactional services.

Bump said:

Why wouldn't you just round it up to £100?

Weirdo.

Oh, err, yeah, old diesels are good :hippie:

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Possibly because the tank was full ?

On a similar note if I need fuel for my truck and I can't find a dedicated HGV pump, I have to put in £100 at a time because pumps generally cut out at £100. Which is a right pain because every time I reach £100 I have to join the queue and pay. If I want 500 litres it takes a while, you might find the previous user of the pump was an HGV.

I find its a pain when i fill my 110 , they even get a bit excited sometimes asking if i am filling cans , having to explain its got longrange tanks . 180L

tacr2man said:

I find its a pain when i fill my 110 , they even get a bit excited sometimes asking if i am filling cans , having to explain its got longrange tanks . 180L

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thats a lot of weight your pulling around, but with 180 litres, maybe you can afford to burn extra..